House will vote on cannabis legalization bill in December

Stoned drivers be like.....lol

 

I agree. We actually gain an advantage by having it federally illegal but legalized in the states. At least that helps to support local growth instead of legalizing what was once an illegal big business. Plus make it in America.

 

I do not partake, but this should've been done long ago.

Plz try to remember, though I know it may be hard through your buzz fuzzed brain, that gun control fails for all the same reasons that weed control fails.

Lets not replace the war on drugs with an equally destructive and destabilizing war on guns.

Many liberties are essential, including the ones you don't personally like.

Abortion too.

 

Very good points @joesnagg I did not consider that

 

One aspect of federal legalization is that it will put a significant dent in illegal grow operations, which are an ecological nightmare.

 

Two qualifications for schedule one are "highly addictive and no medicinal value" Anyone who has done shrooms laughs at that. "I'm going to rob ny momma for shroom $" .....said no one ever!

 

I agree that it impairs driving ability, but I think there is some merit behind the argument that people consume cannabis in different settings than they consume alcohol.

Legal dispensaries would drive down the black market for cannabis. If you can’t find it on the street then you’re more likely to pursue legal avenues where legal restrictions apply.

They probably wouldn’t walk away from producing it, but it would greatly reduce the crime surrounding it. Do you think there are deadly automotive parts cartels in Mexico? Nope, because it is legal to produce and import into the US.

 

Especially the cartel grows in California.

 

Correct. Once it's legal we can expect imported weed to increase substantially along with increased risk. People aren't going to spend 30 bucks at a dispensary when their neighbor is selling it for ten.

 

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Illegal sales will only be dropped by state legalization. Federal legalization will be a problem.

 

"...who offer me nothing in return. ..."

Would you ask the same for people committing felonies while drunk?
How about people using prescription drugs?

Here's what you would get:
Lowering of law enforcement costs for criminal enforcement of pot laws;
Lowering of costs in courts and county jails for people caught with possession or use;
Greater job opportunities for those with pot related criminal records. These same people will no longer be social dependents and will instead pay taxes;
Less criminal activity for pot cultivation, transportation, and sales;
Greater ability to keep pot out of the hands of kids; and
Tax revenues from pot sales.

So, you don't get to deny people their 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment rights. The tradeoff is worth it.

 

I really don't care as it's not an issue for me but I like to correct people who are claiming it will have no negative effects.

 

No more negative an affect than alcohol. Arguably less. If I can drink a beer I should be able to consume cannabis.

 

True but it's cumulative. If you can smoke I should be able to get oxy whenever I want.

 

Sure, I agree with that. Probably a bad decision, but you do you.

 

and you would be wrong

 

It is way way way way different .. not even close. While I agree that folks on Pot tend to be more careful - hence the zero significant difference in risk of accident - as per the studies.

The one study cited in a local newspaper recently - Accident risk of driving drunk was 70 times higher.

Pot 1-2 times higher ... 1 being Zero amount higher .. and 1 being next to zero ... and we are somewhere in between.
Then when you get into methodology ... looking at the cause of the accident - and take out "Kids having Fun" and being stupid .. which would happen more often when they are partying.

Take out that and we are less than zero ..

Clearly you have never smoked Pot on a regular basis. and clearly you are way off the farm w/r to alcohol. Alcohol affects your motor skills - Pot does not have any significant effect on motor skills. .. and "Especially Not" on regular users .. as when someone is a regular user they build up a tolerance and so are not much affected .. and only for a very short period of time after imbibing are they feeling the effects .. an hour max.

 

I agree, but have one seemingly minor but actually major clarification. As opposed to the states, the federal government is strongly restricted on what the Constitution says it can legislate about. Other than against a federal employee (which has been constitutionally adjudicated), the federal government does not and cannot have any law against murder, for example.

 

It was sarcasm.

 

Au contraire mon ami.
My friend grows his own and it’s killer weed, as good as anything I ever smoked in Amsterdam, plus he makes canna butter for edibles from what he doesn’t use for smoking. He is always rolling in pot and edibles.
Given the retail prices I’ve seen in dispensaries and Dutch coffeeshops, he grows about $4500 (about 400 grams from 5 to 7 plants) worth of smoke every 5 months for the cost of electricity and fertilizers and a few seeds, about $400.
If they legalize it on the federal level, maybe we can all grow it like we can tomatoes.

 

Legal weed definitely won in a landslide this year !!!

 

Sure - but remember that the DOI applies to the entire system of Gov't - be it Fed - State- Muni.

These are the principles by which Law and the Constitution are supposed to be interpreted in this nation - regardless of your "Public"- Position.
"Mandate" or no "Mandate" - unless of course that "Mandate" meets the guidelines - set out by our Blessed Founders

Now don't get me wrong - we can set it higher .. such as 75% of States needed for a change to the constitution .. but - 2/3rds is the MINIMUM.

Not 50+1 - and we are in gross violation of this principle - and Numero UNO safeguard against Tyranny -

In many cases not even on the basis of 50+1 .. but on the basis of some special interest group . or on the basis of "Utilitarianism" - and even worse of an anathema to the founding principles than Law being solely on the basis of Utilitarian Justification .. Fallacious Utilitarianism.

Forgive me if you have already read my lectures on the evils of Utilitarianism .. but - this is justification for law on the sole basis of "what will increase happiness for the collective" .. with zero regard to the essential liberty of the individual.

Example - "If it saves one life" / Harm Reduction , as sole justification for law .. ???? NO .. NO NO NO .. that is not how it goes in a Constitutional republic ..

What they are trying to do is wiggle in under the legitimate function of Gov't which is protection from harm .. but this means "Direct Harm" one person on another .. not some general harm to the collective.

These arguments sound good on the surface .. "prima facia" but this is horrible justification for law - on sole basis.

But we have a plague of this .. especially in relation to the drug question .. "OHHH >> OHHHH"" its harmful..

Yes ..so is walking .. in fact .. 400 times more risk of harm than the risk of harm from a terrorist act.

Should we ban Skiing tomorrow ? - would that not save one life ? .. hows about boating .. that is really dangerous - one could drown. If ya didn't go swimming .. you would not drown now would you....

This is one slippery slope we do not want to slide further down - already down so far we can not longer see the mountain top.

Every sitting member of of the SC -should be excused for dereliction of duty - failure to interpret law and the constitution as per the founding principles.. sans one can show that this is not the case with their record.. Lets say like a traffic ticket .. you have to have more than one violation .. but consistent violation is the rule .. not the exception in our SC - Red or Blue .. stinks like .. and you can put in the rhyme.

 

No kidding! 91% THC live resin/Indica, YA I'm impaired! Thank God my bike has an option for RPM and what gear I'm in LMFAO

 

Tobacco has been legal for centuries, see anyone growing it in the back yard