In dramatic reversal, Wayne County election board Republicans rescind votes certifying results

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  1. doombug

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    https://justthenews.com/politics-po...bullied-rescind?amp&__twitter_impression=true

    Holy crap! So these two only agreed to certify the vote because they were threatened and promised an audit?

    Why are dems so afraid of an investigation into this election? Let's see what happened. What will it hurt?

    Why threaten someone for wanting transparency?
     
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    Strange. The link to the documents don't work.
     
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    From your own Article:

     
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    FAKE Headline...:bored:

    It was not immediately unclear whether the Tuesday night compromise was binding or could be changed, or whether the two members' decision to announce their rescinded votes would stop Michigan state officials from proceeding to name electors.
     
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    How is it fake news? They did rescind thier votes.

    Also it's sad that you all try argue this but won't even condone the people who were threatening them.
     
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    Frankly, I do not believe the allegations of threats. They do not specify them, they generalize, and amount, at best, to mere opinion/assertion, and as such, will be struck out as inadmissible content of an affidavit.

    They have signed an affidavit purporting to rescind. Whether that has any impact at all is 'unclear.' My next question is......I wonder what happened to get them to sign those affidavits. Who prepared them etc.
     
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    Yeah, so what?

    IF they "rescind their votes" AND it isn't binding--THEN, so what?
     
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    And?
     
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    What does binding mean?
    Binding as in the legislature has the final say and knows the two rescinded their votes?
     
  10. Bush Lawyer

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    How many votes are we talking about here?
     
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    Anyone else starting to find all this hilarious?! It can't be just me.
     
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    This is a bogus story; I googled it & no other news outlet mentions a word about it, though they have a slew of stories about the original reversal. The WAPO story I'm posting a link for, actually came out AFTER your post.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/wayne-county-election/2020/11/18/b515fa14-29c9-11eb-92b7-6ef17b3fe3b4_story.html?outputType=amp

    The story explains, w/ quotes from Monica Palmer, one of the Repubs in question, that their real motivation had been an ONGOING ISSUE that they'd had with a number of precincts that were consistently off by a handful of votes, a very few. She says they thought if they did this to get the state involved, that might put more pressure on the precincts to finally get their long-standing issue resolved-- great timing!!! Ms. Palmer also told the Washington Post that she realized that Joe Biden had won in Michigan's vote count, & she had no intention of trying to prevent his receiving of their electoral votes.

    As for the story you cited, Doombug, I can only speculate, but the most reasonable explanation is that this is just like what happened w/ the postal worker who initially claimed voter fraud but, when he had the chance to back it up with a legal affidavit, which would open himself to perjury charges (if it were a lie), he backed out. But he, too, later began talking to the kind of unreliable, right wing news outlets that let discredited witnesses make unfounded accusations, & said something like he felt forced to recant. In other words, these 2 officials are now just trying to score Brownie-points, by spreading propaganda to stir up the Republican base who apparently never meet a right-wing conspiracy theory they don't like, & that they don't believe.

    I'm posting some of the story, below. But before that, since I've a feeling you won't read it, Doombug, I'd like to point out the disadvantage of making NO common sense effort to validate a story before posting it as fact. Do you remember what happened to the boy who cried, "wolf!"? Pretty soon, the only ones who responded were those who had seen even more & bigger wolves-- or bears, or rhinos, or flying elephants-- than him.

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    Our canvassers really did a heck of a job,” Gregory Mahar, the county’s director of elections, told the board. All told, voters in the county had cast 878,000 ballots, including 566,000 absentee ones. Biden had won the county by more than 350,000 votes.

    Mahar said, however, that there had been “out of balance” precincts, where there were discrepancies between the number of voters and the number of ballots counted. This type of error is common, Mahar said, and often due to human error or computer malfunction. A jammed machine might cause a ballot to get counted twice. Out-of-date software might result in incorrect totals.

    According to Mahar, the counts in 28 percent of Detroit’s precincts and absentee counting boards were still out of balance without a clear explanation. But the size of the errors was small — a difference of ONE OR TWO VOTES PER PRECINCT without a clear explanation of why the imbalance occurred, affecting a ballpark amount of ABOUT 450 TOTAL VOTES.

    "This is not a novel nuance, is it?” asked Allen Wilson, a regional United Auto Workers official and one of the board’s two Democratic members.

    Mahar said it had happened in the past. Just months earlier, during the August primary, even more precincts had come in out of balance.

    But Monica Palmer, one of the two Republican members, said she was not convinced. Palmer, a schools activist in the Detroit area, said in an interview Wednesday that she had spent months pressing Detroit and Wayne County election authorities to fix problems where precincts are chronically out of balance. They had not.

    Now, Palmer said, she would not accept the same excuses.

    She said she had no contact with the Trump campaign and was unmoved by claims by Trump or his supporters about the Michigan vote. She said she was solely focused on what she said were Wayne County’s chronic problems with unbalanced precinct totals.


    She says she knew that Biden had won Michigan and did not intend to block or overturn his victory. But she had one lever to pull, to force local election authorities to solve the problem: She could vote “nay.”

    If she and her fellow Republican member did that, then the decision on whether to certify Wayne County’s results would be kicked up to a statewide board, also split two-to-two.

    That would take another few days. Maybe the state would work harder to solve Wayne County’s problems. And local authorities would take her warnings seriously next time.
     
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    Its the headline on Fox News right now if you don't like the OP's source here.

     
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    What do you think an audit is?


    What do you think the word "condone" means?
     
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    Why would we condone the people who were threatening them? I highly condemn them
     
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    They are accusing others of being threatened they do not have proof just as no Trumpistas have ever presented any proof of fraud.

    One of the two are under an ethics investigation.

    Just another attempt to delay the vote certification.

    What next threaten those who voted for Biden to "remind" their votes.
     
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    Within hours of the story hitting, democrats started to viciously attack the two, doxxing them, and promising to send the angry mob to where they lived to burn them out. It's incredible the lengths to which democrats are going to fight transparency here. Recanting seems to be the reaction to the right justifiably criticizing their decision to capitulate to democrats. This is astounding behavior from democrats. It certainly explains how the use of mob violence by democrats is utterly destroying the fabric of our civil nation.
     
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    Dod you really suppose after the tech companies have been shown to now be colluding with themselves to stifle the conservatives of this nation that you're actually going to defend the practice of disappearing the news to make it so folks like you will not see it? Really? This is what autocracy looks like. You seem oblivious to it. Ill let you in on a maxim these days. Jeff Bezos doesn't like conservatives. His WAPO cite is replete with every possible permutation of democratic hate for republicans you can imagine. WAPO has failed you, because mr Bezos isn't about to allow his paper to ever print a word in support of freedom in this country.
     
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    Dirty Donnie the Superspreader Swamp thing and his sycophants and minions are the ones destroying the fabric of our republic by falsely, maliciously, and with no other motive than the absurd lust for power, and certainly no EVIDENCE, claiming that the election was fixed.

    It's incredibly the length to which DD and his Republican co-conspirators will go to defend a lost cause. Clearly, Republicans and DD supporters have no moral values whatsoever and are willing to destroy this country if they don't get their way.

    BTW, did you hear ? Dirty Donnie LOST the election to Joe Biden. What a LOSER !
     
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    It's what Rudy was trying to put on in the hotel room with Borat's "daughter"
     
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    Their rescind has been ignored... No do-overs in certifications.. If they were promised something to get their vote, I just say:

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    Yeah, there are no take backs. Nothing is even official outside of a meeting, which i don't think any are scheduled.
     
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    If there is something that they feel the need to be investigated, I say look into it, QUICKLY! If it's a minor thing, correct it. If it seems systemic, or like intentional fraud, root out the cause and possibly prosecute.
    I find it awfully curious, though, that the "discrepancies" aren't detailed, at least not in anything I've read, and, for me, it produces a red flag that there isn't much of a valid reason for the delays. If I'm not mistaken, Trump tweeted about this the other day and wanted all of the Wayne county votes thrown out because of whatever this issue is, which seems rather drastic. If there is a real problem, fix it and move on. If not, Trump actually should be removed from office immediately, and possibly charged with offenses against American citizens rights under the constitution. Go ahead and flame me, but we should all want the votes in an election counted as accurately as possible and not one American should feel like their vote doesn't count, or thrown out because of some insecure or thoughtless government officials.
     
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    Signed affidavit under oath saying they were threatened.
     
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