Trump pardons Michael Flynn, former national security advisor who admitted lying to FBI

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  1. AmericanNationalist

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    If the declassified notes had been made wary to the President at the time they "informed" him of Flynn's nonexistent "deception", he would have been pardoned immediately after being fired(he probably isn't even fired), which of course was the whole point of hiding the memos and notes.

    Such a patriotic and loyal bunch to America.
     
  2. ArmySoldier

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    Witch hunts are a reason pardons are granted without the need of a trial. I'm surprised Trump waited this long
     
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  3. Bush Lawyer

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    The only thing I am 'partisan' about here is the Rule of Law. Simple as that.
     
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    Irrelevant. It’s over.
     
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    I guess he needed to stitch up the deal with Flynn.
     
  6. ArmySoldier

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    What "deal"? A pardon isn't a "deal". You need to visit the conspiracy theory threads.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    At least we saw what a corrupt FBI can do to a highly decorated general with a spotless record.
     
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    Trump does not give the skin off one of his schits without something in it for him. I'll bet he negotiated a deal with Powell when she met him...."I will pardon him. He co-operates no further with any investigation."

    I know Humpty way better than you do.
     
  9. The Mello Guy

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    you can refuse it I think
     
  10. ArmySoldier

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    This is what we call "bias". You are using your opinion and your hate to rewrite the law. But it doesn't work. The law is the law. Someone can be pardoned before a trial even begins. Shall we list the last admin's pardons?
     
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    Yes you can. What does that have to do with your claim (that you stated and I quoted you stating) that admission of guilt is required?

    I called you out for making something up and cited sources. I even quoted YOUR source that proved you wrong. I'm not sure what your angle is now...
     
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    I showed you my source. It’s an assumed acceptance, but not required. I was wrong about that.
     
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    Fair enough. We all make mistakes in terms of sources. I will not press it any further. I hope you and your loved ones/friends have a great thanksgiving. Just remember, politics should never ruin a holiday. My family, all from Massachusetts, is mainly liberal. We allow ourselves 30 minutes for political debates and arguments and then we eat dinner and play poker. Never let politics get in the way of any relationship.

    That's my lecture for tonight lol
     
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    I wish I had some trumpys coming to dinner, alas were all liberal leaning. What are you eating?
     
  15. Bush Lawyer

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    A pardon does not prevent Sullivan from going on to conclusion. Have a pardon does not mean you are free from prosecution. It means that if the prosecution succeeds, the outcome will have nil impact on the pardoned other than having the truth about what they did, revealed.
     
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    Everyone involved in his persecution at DOJ should be, at a minimum, fired.

    I would like to see them sued personally, disbarred, and indicted for wrongful prosecution and abuse of power.
     
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    I'd welcome that, and I am one who has zero sympathy for the disgraced General.
     
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    sure, he confessed, he was guilty and then pardoned, game over
     
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    I hope Sullivan keeps the game alive and takes this to the end game.
     
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    The orange menace will probably pardon all his criminal friends (and there are a lot of 'em). Seriously, he's going to get carpel tunnel from writing his name so many times.
     
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    Blows my mind that you don't think telling the recipient of the sanctions how to respond to them isn't interference, but we can agree to disagree...
     
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    Clearly you're not a lawyer, so your ignorance of the law is easily excusable.

    Because he has been pardoned, he is no longer a convicted felon.

    He is not in the same class as the unconvicted felons Bill Clinton and George Bush.

    Flynn has been an innocent man all along in this fiasco.
     
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    For people asking, this designation has been attributed to Flynn, but there isn’t a specific record of him being found guilty. I posted it because the ifea itself is true, whether or not he is legally guilty.
     
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    The number one take-away from the Flynn debacle; NEVER speak to the Stasi, er, FBI, without a lawyer sitting at your elbow, PERIOD!!!
     
  25. AmericanNationalist

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    It's not interference. The other country's reaction(or non-reaction) is not a part of a government's policy(or it shouldn't be). What stuns me, is that Obama got away with a Nixon-esque tactic, because Washington has grown that corrupt. You yourself would be upset if it happened to ANY other administration.

    If it were a less corrupt time, if it were H.W. Bush's administration(and let's say someone as honorable as Jimmy Carter would have pulled such a stunt, he wouldn't have but let's say), Congress would have held inquiries, we would have gotten resignations by former and current members of the said previous administration, remember when they made a hoopla over revoking their security clearances? That would've been standard operation after such a corrupt scheme was uncovered.

    Actually, in this case it's worse: Yates admits to the deed, OPENLY and no one bats an eye. Trump was set up to fail before he even administered an oath to serve, it's disgusting, it's slimy but it's politics as normal.
     

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