The U.N. ,Democrats, and their plan for America

"The U.N. ,Democrats, and their plan for America"

More hogwash. Once again it does not matter what the UN has to say about the internal laws or the foreign policy of the USA. We have a Constitution. No President can hand over control or by-pass the US Constitution in the creation of laws or treaties. That never has happened and never will happen.

The most basic reason why is the US Senate. For a UN policy to become US Law it must be first codified in a Treaty. But a President signing a treaty does not make it law. The Senate must hold hearings, debate and vote on the Treaty. Some treaties are rejected, leaving the President's signature meaningless and without power.

When the Senate validates a Treaty it is still not US law. For that to happen legislation must be proposed in the House and Senate to create new law or modify existing law. If doing so involves some taxpayer expense, the legislation must originate in the House. Considerable hurdles will stand in the way of any enabling legislation following ratification of a treaty.

This is how the USA has functioned since our creation under the Constitution.

The most troubling thing of all this "THE SKY IS FALLING!!" sort of conspiracy warnings is just how very ignorant of American Civics it shows the believers to be.

 

There are many different forms of power.

Some would argue that power on an international scale is far stronger then just national power.

 

Possibly influence is a better word to use in a political context. It would be nice to see the United States regain some it's former influence in the world before Trump made America great again.

 

No one condemns others for wanting to end hunger, poverty, etc. That's what Christian institutions have been doing for 2,000 years. But nothing should ever be imposed on others, with the belief that they, and only they know what's best for mankind. It doesn't matter whether it's our own liberalism, or sharia law, communism, fascism, etc.

The 'hubris' of believing one's own beliefs and standards as being so superior to that of others, that they should be imposed on them, hinders their own reasoning and judgement.

You mentioned quality education, but who is to decide what is quality education? I doubt if I would agree with your concept, except maybe in technology and math - but certainly not in history. As far as I can tell, it's how we perceive our past that is the basis of most of our reasoning.

(My apologies to William Shakespeare)

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To reason or not to reason
that is the question?

How can'st one reason
where knowledge is not,

when reasoning itself
requires a lot - Jeannette

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That only works if those democrats become the world leaders. But I'm not sure other countries won't be cool with that. Its never going to happen. There is a good reason the UN is weak and will always be weak.

 

We will see.

There is far more to gain as an Obama VS. Trump power wise.

 

Such as what?

Explain what we loss under Trump.

 

No, we won't see because its not going to happen. Politicians aren't going to give up their power to a global government where they will have far less control if any. Why don't you ask the Chinese government if they want to give up their absolute power in their county so they can be small part of the vote in a global government? Go head, ask Xi Jinping.

 

Yes they will or the UN and similar organizations wouldn't exist.

 

So you really think the Chinese government or any other government would just voluntarily give up their power? Governments only do that when they are absolutely forced to. I can assure you that the Chinese government will never give up their power voluntarily.

The UN has no real power and it barely has any money to do anything. It mostly does lame charity work and doesn't have a military worth speaking about. Its also unable to start terrible governments or keep governments from pumping out CO2. And the reason it doesn't is because no politician wants to give up their power to a bunch of world leader. If you have power, why would you choose to give it away?

 

Regardless of the 10th Amendment
The State governments have given up powers.

 

We are not the Chinese we are America where the liberals control the narrative where they believe that the US having power is a negative thing, where it's bad if we prosper, where we need to pay for our crimes of being responsible for everything bad in the world.

I wish we were more like the Chinese who aren't ashamed to be proud of their nation.

 

Nonsense.

China has given up none of it's sovereignty to the UN.

The usual criticism from the Right is that the UN is just a debating society because it has no teeth. Not that they want the UN to have teeth.

The basic power of a government derives from the power to tax, and to apply force. The UN does neither.

 

While the cause was the Civil War, that is a routine part of the development of joining the Modern world, in a country.

 

We aren't China, this is about America lol

I do find it hilarious how thats the only example you folks can come up with though.

 

No it ain't. It is part of the corruptions of the modern world.
California did a better job of health care before LBJ's Medicaid destroyed it.
Same for education.
Both "powers" reserved for the States per the 10th.

 

Because they are commies who know mantras but, little else
Some time on a collective farm in western China would cure them fast.

 

I love how your second sentence contradicts your first.

Oh well..

 

They have markets, private property, etc. Which means they aren't actually Communist any more. Assuming they ever were.

China is moving towards corporate farming. They were losing too many farmers to the growing economy.

 

You were talking about China..

It's just an example, nobody has given up sovereignty. Why do I get the feeling you can't actually discuss the UN?

Hmmm?

 

They lost those powers because of the Civil War. If the decision had been completely up to the state governments themselves, they wouldn't have given up anything.

 

I'm buying some of these and giving them to my dear socialist friends and telling them to hang onto them and when they have nothing left they can use them to bribe their way into other countries. I tell them too keep watching the market so they know what there worth.

 

We have had voices in the US that believe we should be under the same judiciary law as the World courts.

 

That is only a start. Look at how some Jews and Muslims are against the way our system of law is set up. They prefer to have their own form of justice administered.

 

Yes. Those that do our classified as racist, homophobes' , unenlightened, haters, un-American, etc. etc. etc. They have been shunned, attacked, fired, property destroyed. It doesn't just happen to them but to their families.