Major Study Finds Masks Don’t Reduce COVID-19 Infection Rates <<MOD WARNING>>

Everything you've claimed that Fauci has said has been shown to be wrong. Even your dates have been shown to be wrong.

First you use a link dated in July as if that has any relevance to what actually was said in February. Then you use the date of 20th March until it was pointed out that the 60 minute program was broadcast on March 8th. AND 60 Minutes is a recorded program HENCE case numbers and deaths reported on the 8th is irrelevant. Let's once again see what he actually said ON Feb 17th:

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opini...know-dr-anthony-fauci-q-a-opinion/4790996002/
Notice the word "now" which was also used in the 60 Minute and in the interview on Feb 17th which leads to the conclusion that the 60 minute program was recorded in February. At the time "now", there were 15 cases in total and zero deaths

And notice that on Feb 17th he said "But we're having early case reports which are now making it pretty clear that some degree of asymptomatic transmission occurs."

All this was said on Fen 17th, so not March and not what you claimed he said

 

60 minutes is a recorded program. Fauci said "Now, in the United States, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask." on Feb 17th, over 3 weeks before the WHO declared a pandemic. At the time there were 15 cases in total and zero deaths

 

I love the way this argument has moved from how Fauci lied, to WHERE Fauci lied.

Like that matters.

 

It's been shown that Fauci did not lie. The only "evidence" presented that he "lied" is an edited interview broadcast in July which at that time had no relevance to what actually was said by Fauci and published in February

 

That I am a speaker of truth in this time of universal deception?

Judging from your posts, you have not figured out yet that you have been fooled by the mainstream media.

As Kierkegaard noted in the last century, it is easier to fool a man than it is to explain to him how he has been fooled.

 

You, of course, have it all figured out.

 

Everything I’ve claimed Fauci said has been quoted in his own words. Are you claiming that wasn’t him on 60 Minutes? Or wasn’t him in the O’Donnell interview? That seems like a strange argument for you to make.

 

Please, if you don’t want me to speculate on taping dates, refrain from doing so.

It’s irrelevant anyway because he had plenty of information from places like South Korea and China to have made the correct decision. He’s supposed to be an expert. I guess other countries just have better “experts”, is that your defense now?

 

A fete of amazing size. To get all the media in the world no matter what leaning of government they represent to spread exactly the same story. Then persuade all the doctors and scientists of the world to agree with that media.
Truly epic.
Sigh.

 

Your post is an utter mess....

As for his lies in March. You're just saying that. You're actually not aware of that the WHOLE time, since you admit you never watched it.
I've countered your fake arguments. Even till your previous post you were unware that it was about a shortage of 3M masks.
It remains a total fallacy to keep on claiming he lied that other people should not wear 3M masks, when he said it's DUE TO A SHORTAGE IN MARCH.

And you can not acknowledge this.
Because you refuse to watch the 60 minute vid.
And so got no clue what you're talking about.

 

What he said on 17th Feb was correct. At the time there were 15 cases in total and zero deaths. Which of these statements made on 17th Feb were lies?

1. "But we're having early case reports which are now making it pretty clear that some degree of asymptomatic transmission occurs."

2. "A mask is much more appropriate for someone who is infected and you're trying to prevent them from infecting other people than it is in protecting you against infection. If you look at the masks that you buy in a drug store, the leakage around that doesn't really do much to protect you. And for example, people start saying, should I start wearing a mask? Now, in the United States, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask."

 

As an operator of the sector, I have to underline that a mask is a mask.

It's at least a barrier, when not a filter, if it's a good mask.
It works ... within the limits of its usage: if we use masks in a proper way they do work, otherwise they work well less.


One can say: masks are suitable and useful for the infected persons.

OK. How can you know you're not infected?

Surgical masks have created to defend the patients from the doctors.
They are passive defenses. FFP 2 masks and similar are active defenses [so, if you don't trust surgical masks ... use FFP ...].

But the point is simple: if we, in an active or passive way, limit the possibility of transmission ... we will contain the diffusion of SARS-Cov-2 [and of seasonal full as well!].

When I go outdoor I wear a mask. Not only because it's obligatory in Italy, but because it works.

 

You can call facts a mess. They are still facts.

I have told you I’ve watched the interview repeatedly. That’s why I can quote Fauci word for word from the interview. I do not watch network news or consume Facebook news. I have watched the 60 Minutes interview on PF links numerous times. You should watch it. Then you could discuss the content, not just what you’ve been told to believe about the content.

What 3M masks? 3M makes all kinds of masks. You need to be more specific. 3M is the name of a manufacturer. They produce masks for painters, carpenters, health care workers, and people with allergies. Just saying “3M masks” is meaningless.

And a lie is a lie no matter what justification one comes up with. You like lies. I don’t.

.LOL. I’m the one who quotes word for word from the interview. You should watch it.

 

To be a bit technical, you should read the characteristics of the mask you buy. Overall about the filtering capability.

A surgical mask, in comparison with an FFP, shows a basic problem: you need to know how to wear it.
In the last year I've been noting the most curious, when not ridiculous, ways to wear a surgical mask.
IF you don't wear it properly, don't expect it to protect you [or the others].

The FFP masks usually offer the advantage to bv covering objects because their own structure, so that to wear them effectively is well more easy.

The surgical mask is a "community" mask. It protects if you know how to use it, anyway it creates a generalized barrier to the diffusion of a viral disease.

 

Again, Fauci lied. He said.
“There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”

Fauci made this comment on an interview with 60 Minutes on March 8, during the early stages of the novel coronavirus outbreak in the United States.
youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI

 

I don't know why you are picking on poor 'ol Fauci, but I have suspicions.

In a February 13 interview with CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Redfield said asymptomatic transmission of coronavirus was possible and concerning, based on information from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention.

“There’s been good communication with our colleagues to confirm asymptomatic infection, to confirm asymptomatic transmission, to be able to get a better handle on the clinical spectrum of illness in China,” Redfield said. “What we don’t know though is how much of the asymptomatic cases are driving transmission.”

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Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, echoed the CDC’s caution in a March 14 briefing with other members of the coronavirus taskforce where she acknowledged that asymptomatic patients could be spreading the disease.

“Until you really understand how many people are asymptomatic and asymptomatically passing the virus on, we think it’s better for the entire American public to know that the risk of serious illness may be low,” Birx said, “but they could be potentially spreading the virus to others.”


One of those rare cases of to many Indians and no Chief.

 

Where is the lie in the extract you quoted? Why leave out the context?
"But there is another risk to healthy people buying disposable masks as a precaution. The price of face masks is surging, and Prestige Ameritech, the nation's largest surgical mask manufacturer, is now struggling to keep up with the increased demand.

"It could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need it," Fauci said."

The interview was broadcast on March 8th and was prerecorded ie not live. What date was the actual interview? And even taking March 6th figures, a total of 289 cases and 15 deaths in a population of 330M there was no reason to state that mask wearing should be advised especially if it resulted in panic buying of masks that were needed for HCWs

 

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A bit of protection is anyway a bit of protection.

If you don't wear a mask you renounce to that bit of protection.

What's so difficult to grasp in this?

Then ... if you wear a mask, you keep the distance, you don't touch the others and you frequently sanitize your hands ... you will gain a lot of points!

Probably we should transform this in a competition and Americans will wash their hands like never before ... they will wear 4 masks and they will stay at at least 10 yards from the others!

 

We even train our pets.

 

It wasn't "eventually", it was in the same interview broadcast on March 8th

 

This is pretty accurate. But in July he denied having this information on Feb. 17.

On Feb. 17, if Fauci has done his job, and recommended mask usage the pandemic could have been greatly reduced if not prevented in the US. At the time of your Feb. 17 information South Korea was already dealing with case increases and were not discouraging mask usage. They were working to provide masks for everyone, as is appropriate. What’s not appropriate is to not recommend masks until April 3 in this country when we were having 1500 cases a day. What’s really inappropriate is to keep lying about why it wasn’t recommended until April 3.

Another interesting tidbit from the O’Donnell interview in July is Fauci’s approval of claims by the Surgeon General on masks. Here’s one from Jerome Adams on March 8.

Here’s Fauci in the July O’Donnell interview referencing meetings where they formulated these talking points.

Must be some dialogue to result in one “expert” saying masks weren’t necessary and another that masks don’t work for the general public while other countries were providing masks for their citizens.

I find it interesting those who profess the most faith in masks don’t think they should be used to prevent transmission when rates are low, but only when rates are growing exponentially. It’s a very odd belief that is founded on denial of science.

 

Well you'd be wrong. I'm English not Democrat and prior to this thread I had not heard of Fauci.
The reason I am picking on him is that the thread is about him and he lied about needing masks

 

I couldn't care less when the broadcast was recorded. Saying masks are unnecessary and wont stop the spread of disease is a lie.
Neither do I care if Fauci excused his words by claiming the was a mask shortage, it was still a lie.