We now arguably have the justification for shutting down Fox News, Breitbart, Newsmax, etc.

I’ll pass on reconstituting the Fairness Doctrine but rather focus on the stated reason for ending it. There was enough competition in the market place.

Then we promptly changed our AntiTrust law and allowed the market to consolidate to a handful of multinational corporations or essentially blew up the premise.

Address AntiTrust, introduce competition back into to our markets (not just media) and we should be fine.

Resolve multiple issues with one stone.

 

You must be so proud that the democrats want to get rid of the First Amendment.

 

There is money to be made by right wing sources lying about the election, who participated in the riot,........and dozens of other things. Good luck getting them to stop.

Many of the lies can be found here on a daily basis. https://www.mediamatters.org/

 

So you believe it is a good idea to punish all right wingers regardless of whether they violated the law or not. Just for a bit of clarification, your set of rules are not the law.

 

Sen. Schumer needs to review his history. What a stupidly inflammatory post from the presumed majority leader.

 

I stopped at what I highlighted. Your obvious bias is on full display there

Fox News was born for confirmation bias, of which Roger Ailes clearly stated in his book, and they expended all their efforts in perfecting it.

You prove my point when you claim everyone else was the problem, and that Fox was somehow the answer. You need look no further than the fact that now, Fox isn't even far enough right, so the right creates OAN, and NewsMax, and Epoc. The defense of the right is not that they are moving right, it's now that the center has moved to the left, and their "proof" is that everyone else is moving to the left. But heres the problem that you have, FACTS dont have a bias. It's like a 5yo coming home from school after getting in trouble and saying, "everyone else did it, not me". And the bigger problem with news today, of which AON and Epoch and Newsmax are on steroids, is their forwarding of fact-less conspiracies with no real basis in realty. So if the center is moving left, then why go even further to the right with AON, Newsmax etc ? If the center is moving even further to the left, then Fox would be getting further from the center, and their would be no need for AON, Newsmax or Epoch right ? But that is clearly not the case. Fox has stayed where they were, and the center has moved to them in the last few years, THUS, the creation of the new "news" entities.

We are where we are today because we do not have a fairness doctrine in this country anymore. "News" became a revenue stream. Once you inject the profit motive, it drives every decision, every report, every person. And dont kid yourself, the drive by the right today with the new "news" sources, is not about "fairness", or "equality", it is their desire to lie with impunity. This was very clearly proven out by the rights push to end the fairness doctrine, and doing just that in 1987 under Reagan. Now they are taking it to new levels. This election is case and point. AON, NM, and Epoch are forwarding literally baseless conspiracy theories, with literally no proof, or even basic fact. The riots in Washington on the 6th are proof of that.

We have become a fact-less society. And in the ultimate irony for the right, we have become a country of "feelings" driving our entire decision making process.

 

I stopped at the above. My post was factual, and upon skimming, your reply was nonresponsive.

 

How very Trumpian of you

You want to make claims unchallenged, that doesnt work here

 

if all the jobs are overseas and people only buy stuff from overseas, then all the money is overseas... that is how it hurts the economy

this will eventually lead to socialism..... almost seems like that is what the right really wants - that, or they want American workers to be treated like 3rd world country workers and make almost nothing

 

Oh it works just fine here, you just did it above yourself, and nonresponsive gibberish, no matter how long, is not "challenging" anything. You also revealed, as so many of you do here every day, how much mental real estate Trump has taken from you.

 

LOL!!! Let's see you document ONE TIME America's left did any of that in 100 years! Or are you trying to blame foreign crime on Americans?

 

they are the true fascists

 

OH DEAR! OH OH OH .... The LEFT! The LEFT!!!! "They have issues"!

DEFLECTION. ....which means you have no answer.

 

Ok, (thank you always nice to be appreciated and the feeling is mutual )

Now then, 1a protects telling lies, because, who is the arbiter (noting there are many shades of grey) ?

however, a threshold is crossed when speech advocates violence, incites others to violence, sedition, etc.

The case with Trump is trickier. Because, he didn't specifically tell anyone to commit illegal acts.

But, Trump is a special case, as President of the United States, his words matter, carry far more weight than that of your average citizen. Therefore his speech, whereupon he told a lie that 'dems stole the election' (because 60 lawsuits failed to prove that contention) over and over and over at all of his rallies for a number of months, such that when they did charge the Capitol, they shouted 'stop the steal' 'hang pence' 'find Pelosi' that what was driving their rage to the point of a juggernaut was the lie that Democrats stole the election, and filled with this rage, they decided to do something about it, they made that decision on January 6, after Eric told them "we are coming for you" and Giuliani shouted "trial by combat" and Trump asserted (paraphrased) 'march on Washington, and we must take back our country, we can't be weak", and when they did something about it, all of which can be likened to a volcano about to erupt, which did finally erupt, he whipped his flock up to a frenzy, driven by 'stop the steal' 5 people were killed, many were injured, property was damaged, and Pelosi's computer was stolen. All of his speech, deeds, taken as a whole, there is an argument that he committed sedition, and that argument can, and probably will, at some point, be argued in a court of a law, and I hope the government prevails against Trump, because justice matters. This is a big deal, and in historical terms, the only thing I can think of that was a bigger deal was Pearl Harbor.

Personally, I don't think the issue is that complicated. I think is is clear as clear can be.

Nobody, in my view, states the case better than the former Wash. DC prosecutor, Glen Kirschner:

 

There is nothing illogical about impeaching the president when only a week is left.

The man is dangerous, and the only moral thing left to do is rid him as soon as possible.

But, more than that, an impeachment, a conviction, will render it so that the president can never hold and office of public trust ever again. Moreover, it strips the president of a pension, all the perks of being an ex president, such as protection by the secret service, all of which is a public expense. He has surrendered his right to enjoy such things.

Anger the right? That hardly matters when it was right wing anger that led to the juggernaut which laid siege to the Capitol and resulted in 5 deaths. We can't not do the right thing because this group is pissed. With Trump being allowed to run again, the whole thing could be repeated, and America cannot afford another President Trump, he constitutes a threat to national security.

The evidence against this president on this is far greater than the previous impeachment. Moreover, Dems now control the senate, so there will be no blocking congressional subpoenas and obstruction in general henceforth, as was done when repubs controlled the presidency and the senate.

The only group who have lost their minds are those who are backing Trump, after January 6, when it is positively clear he poses a clear and present danger to the security of the United States.

 

We are at the "making them wear gold stars, stealing their assets and putting them into virtual ghettos" stage. Final Solution comes a bit later, but it's on the menu, it always is with you and yours.

Funny you try to limit only to America. We all know why, and you aren't fooling anyone.

 

the devil trump made us do it

 

can we push the hands of time forward real hard?

 

Well good for you. You have some info.

You don't know that. I've seen NO evidence of either of them training with AK-47s.

More opinion that you don't know anything about. But hey, it's always good to throw in a dig or two just to "condition" the propaganda.

Probably true.

Probably true.

More opinion that you don't know anything about. But hey, it's always good to throw in a dig or two just to "condition" the propaganda.

More opinion you know nothing about. You would have to document the training, activities, and support of both to make such an assertion. You didn't.

Then why didn't you post a link to their website? I would like very much to see that and I really doubt what you say is true.

If they (BLM) are organized and have a website and have email lists, then of course they're better funded. duh

But I had said "the lies of RW media distorted and misrepresented Antifa and BLM into something they aren't" and you have utterly failed to deliver what you said you would ( "Your facile assumption is an easily-defeated fallacy." ) RW media has presented both as "violent", "fascist", "racist", and instigators of confrontation and violence. None of which is true, of course, and you haven't shown anything more about those points than your own personal opinion. In fact, since you failed to mention the infiltration of both by anarchists (who are, BTW, right wing) and their proclivity for violence and destruction as they run their false-flag operations, none of your claims of violence are complete, and therefore not valid.

Epic fail.

 

trumpets don't care in the least, they only use our Constitution as a verbal and physical cudgel. it's overtime to punish them across the board.

 

By the time it is done, there will only be a couple of days left in his administration.

Depriving him of his pension borders on stupid. He gave up his salary as president. He likely cares little about that trivial amount of money. The secret service is not just a perk for the president. It also protects the president from being kidnapped or otherwise coerced into revealing classified information. Whether he is successfully removed from office or not, the US would be negligent by failing to protect him. That secret service protection will not end.

 

Ya think? Interesting that both my wife and I, sitting here 3,000 miles away, expressed our hope and expectation, since the thugs had announced their intention of being at the Capitol for the vote-counting AFTER Trump had called for their presence and said "it will be wild", and had referred to the need to "fight more strongly", that there would be a very heavy National Guard or military presence to back up the Capitol police. And I really don't believe we were alone!

 

He CERTAINLY can't do any worse!

 

what will you say when he does some even worse as he goes under for the third time? how will you spin it then?

 

"Totalitarian"? "Law"? Ya think?

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml...elim-title18-section2383&num=0&edition=prelim

Do you think that maybe a ten-year prison sentence might stop Fox talking heads and Fox ownership and management from running their lie-generation factory?