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Rep. Tammy Duckworth wants military insurgents to be punished.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by 61falcon, Jan 12, 2021.

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  1. ChiCowboy

    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

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    The House doesn't need a conviction to impeach. Clinton was impeached without a conviction, and so was Donald Trump.
     
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    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

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    Crucify him now? You're the one who brought it up. Stop now, and nobody will know who he is.

    Kinda reminds me of Trump making things up, then sending a deluded angry mob to crucify the vice president and speaker of the house.

    Honesty always wins. So does the law. If you still can't see that, then nothing can help.
     
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    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

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    From her viewpoint.
     
    ChiCowboy, Jan 12, 2021
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  4. ChiCowboy

    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

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    Impeachment is a constitutional duty. Generally, nobody considers an impeached president to have been persecuted. Play ya gotta pay. Duty.
     
    ChiCowboy, Jan 12, 2021
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  5. Lucifer

    Lucifer Well-Known Member

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    When you produce evidence of said crucifixion, post the link. All I'm seeing is them rounding up, arresting, and charging the faithful patriotic Trump fans. Trials follow. That's the way it works. Or are you not familiar with this model of justice?

    ETA: And since this thread is about Duckworth's comment, which I agree, those patriotic seditionists who are active or retired military will get not just one, but two trials!!!
     
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    You calling Senator Duckworth a " Fake elected official" ?
    The only thing Fake about her are her legs before she lost the original ones in service to her country.

    Btw she never complained about bornspurs.
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    I absolutely agree that active duty members need to be judged under the rules of the UCMJ.

    Military Retirees should be treated just as any civilian.
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    The fact that someone receives a military pension must not in any way reduce their rights under the Constitution. Active duty members must be sunject tomthe UCMJ.
     
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    I don't know the details of the UCMJ, but if they are collecting veterans benefits, they still need to abide by some code of conduct, even more so when that conduct is counter to their oath.
     
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    Yes. "Wrong-Think Bad! Must Punish!"
     
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  11. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We are not subject to the UCMJ.
     
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    The fact that any of the Trumps terrorists are retired military must not enter into the court decision of guilt versus innocence. Retired military must be treated as civilians if they were were civilians at the time of their crimes.

    To treat military retirees the same a active duty militarybwould be the same as retroactive punishment.
     
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    I know you've claimed you're ex-military, but I wasn't too impressed by your Constitutional analysis regarding sedition and insurrection, so I'll pass.
     
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    The status of military retiree must never enter into the decision of guilt. Retirees must be treated like civilians because that is what they are civilians.
     
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    Being former military does not impact our ability to analyze Constitutional issues in any way. Key word ability. Maybe our opinion but never our ability.
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    Who are the "we"?
     
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    Still that is her opinion. She has a right to her own opinion as I do even if we are both military retirees. Her opinion as a military retiree does not make her opinions any more fight or wrong. Neither do mine.
    Us retired military may or may not have a different perspective but not any more or less rights.
     
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    sounds good to me, anyone that breaks into the capital in a act of terrorism should not be in the military or receive taxpayer money
     
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    it's really sick that this is even something we have to talk about, what were they thinking committing these crimes against America, they should know better
     
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    Our oath as military members is for the time period of when we served actively in the military. You cannot punish nor reward military members retroactively. The laws or rules that need to be applied are the ones that existed during the time of service.

    You cannot be guilty of being AWOL while you are retired but you can and should if you are active duty.
     
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  21. PARTIZAN1

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    True they should know better. The POTUS should know better but he does not.
     
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    Actually two that we know about, the murdered cop was a veteran. I don't know whether the 3 other dead protesters were vets or not.
     
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    If you are in the military and commit a crime at a certain type or level you may indeed be forcefully dischared and lose your military or Veterans benefits especially if you are discharged under less than honorable conditions.
     
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    One dead terrorist was a veteran, a female veteran but still a veteran.
     
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    I assumed that was the one mentioned.
     
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