Has Boris's relationship with Trump damaged the special relationship.

'Forcing goods to be manufactured'? It's not like we're putting a gun to their heads and say "produce goods for our markets, NOW!"(That, and I can't imagine why a country would have to force a company to manufacture products in the home country of origin.). Rather than us Nationalists being criticized, the Democratic Economic platform is our problem. And we're going to get back to it: They believe that if you tax these companies at an absurd rate, that will somehow trickle down(the exact same concept as trickle up, but don't tell them that they'll never know the difference) to the layman lol. And it's just a professed ignorance by the Left on economics.

For starters: Tax revenue goes to the GOVERNMENT. Not to you or I. Not to the citizens. to the GOVERNMENT! If me and Elizabeth Warren ever had a debate on this topic and I point out this most obvious economic fact, she'd counter that the government spends on the public sector therefore, it does in a way provide to the citizen.

The issue with that, is that the government doesn't spend nearly enough on the public sector in comparison to private markets(literally at all, if you looked at a US spending pie, you'd be embarrassed. Less than 5% on all major social-economic goods from infrastructure to transportation to farming, we're a mess and that was before any tariffs.). Either we spend money on bombs or entitlements(social security/medicare), that's literally where 80% of the money goes.

Like we say we don't want to be Socialist Europe, but the truth is we do even less than the Europeans. The major difference between China and the US is that we pay lip service, Xi doesn't have to concern himself with that(made himself President for life.)

For another thing, Liberals don't understand what the purpose of the tax system is/was: To regulate dollars in circulation, so that we don't have a Weimar Republic-like experience. It keeps economies from over expanding(or sometimes, to keep them from shrinking.) Monetary policy is largely to regulate the ebb and flow of economies.

Because Liberals use the tax system as a sort of 'equalizer' in social wealth(which it was never designed for), that's why we always have economic downturns during Democratic administrations. Because they are utterly misguided on wealth creation in this country.

Wealth isn't created by corporations, and it's not created by the government and it definitely isn't created by a tax lever. So, who does create the wealth? The individuals. The individuals who buy the products on the market, make it profitable and therefore marketable to sell goods. Individuals who own businesses create wealth through their products. And if government REALLY wants to create wealth, it does so by promoting this healthy exchange of goods and services.(God, I sound so Libertarian right now)

But this is because at this point, I'm not even political this is a full on financial rant on what I'd do if Biden tabbed me as Treasury Secretary. I'd convince Biden that being among the developed world in taxes(15-20%) gives us an even edge in actually retaining our businesses here instead of them searching for more favorable tax havens abroad.

What I can do instead for massive growth is to promote business expansion, self-entrepreneurship, etc. What we need to do right now is to
settle the college debt, which is out of control. Yes, I understand that these people made these decisions but right now, the country's well being
and prosperity is more important than the idea of 'they should pay it off'. If these debts are a financial liability to the State(and they are), it's better to wipe them clean, and for those companies who held the debt they themselves will get a credit upgrade in their score and other benefits from the government in such a program.

I'd do the same for the derivative blackhole that's still unresolved and is possibly the next crisis. The goal should be a financial restructuring,
and from the ashes of a restructuring comes a pro-growth, 21st century new jobs where the old ones vanquished due to antiquity of time. Even for those who owned the old businesses, if they're acquired and brought out it gives them a new fresh start to create another business.

By empowering individuals(all individuals, it doesn't matter what financial status they have), we empower the State. By empowering the State, we sustain ourselves. Sorry for the unexpected diatribe into political finance, this is just a man's dream.

 

If you ban of tariff foreign goods you effectively force he public to buy those goods manufactured in your home country.

I deliberately tried not to criticise. I pointed out that the idea within nationalism of forcing (see above) people to buy local goods is mistaken. It seems a simple solution, but its effects are usually negative overall.
Can you clarify before I respond, who are "These companies"

Are you referring to federal spending? Surely much of the tax spent on infrastructure and transportation is State tax? Am I wrong here? Not an expert by any means and happy to be corrected.

I believe "Socialist Europe" is a bit of uninformed assumption in America, Europe has a wide range of different economic models and with the exception of health insurance is not much different to the U.S.

do you mean lip service to elections and democracy? These are very precious things and not to be dismissed so lightly.
At the end of the day, however much you believe the margins are fiddled to get results, this is a world of difference to not having a vote. Regardless of how you think votes are rigged, if enough Americans wanted change then change would come via elections.
This principle prevents the U.S from having hidden courts, labour camps, false imprisonment, and life sentences for misdemeanours such as protesting.
I think most people in democracies tragically undervalue this and rail about small indignities that would be laughed away in less lucky countries.

More after dinner

 

I think it serves both purposes well. I think your thinking on this is about 100 years out of date. I would also argue that while tax became a method of of regulating currency and inflation, it started out as a method of funding conquest and gain by expansion.

I think its a mixture of all of these. A company that exports a new drug does much to increase a countries wealth, an individual on benefits does not. The whole thing is so interwoven that you cannot count one without effecting another.

But how do you fill the gap between what encourages companies to remain at home and what a civilised country needs for its citizens? You see everyone wants to live in the most civilised countries in the world, but pay the taxes of the most uncivilised.

American college debt is not something I am familiar with, I do know that we in the UK recently started copying your model and its a disaster, but nothing more. I will read up and come back to you.

Thank you for an interesting conversation.

 

At least on the American side of the pond, nationalists are not opposed to trade among first world countries since the economies are similar enough that they can enjoy an expanded market without the major dislocation that comes with opening trade in 2nd and 3rd world countries. I don't recall any major pushback with the UK joining the common market. It was only when it morphed into the quasi-state EU that there seemed to be any pushback.

 

Fake News

SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP: US, UK Sign Agreement to Merge Forces for Historic Joint Carrier Deployment.

That was Monday, when Trump was still in office.

This is Thursday: Fury as Joe Biden REMOVES bust of Boris Johnson’s hero Winston Churchill from the Oval Office.

 

I think that the "special relationship" between Britain and the US mostly exists in the heads of Britons.

Biden certainly won't hold grudges. He's going to be looking to rebuild bridges and restore American prestige. British conservatives generally like Biden more than Trump.

 

I guess my view of nationalists must be influenced by Brexit and the endless cries of freedom from the nationalists in the UK. A large part of that freedom seems to be leaving the single market to be able to trade independently. Giving up access to the single market is considered insane by most business people, but the nationalists were convinced this would somehow move production back to the UK and increase wages.
As far as the EU becoming a quasi-state, I have never had a brexit supporter (And I have many debates) offer me a single law handed down by the EU that had any effect on the average Brit. The laws passed tend to be things like a common agreement on the safe depth of lorry tyre treads.
One thing I do find strange is the States in America have no desire to escape the federal system, yet see the forming of a united states of Europe as a quasi-autocracy.

 

Cheers friend.

That's true, but our current conservatives are not the norm for this country.

 

It's fear of the Euro taking over from the dollar as the world's currency.

 

So you don't see any difference between the original common market and the EU? It seems like there is a lot of change. For one, the inability to stop "Polish Plumbers" and others from the east moving in to the UK. Poland's per capita GDP is way lower than the UK's, making Poland the equivalent of Mexico (although with more skilled labor). As an employer, that's great for you. As a worker, it sucks. I imagine blue collar workers in the UK must have been pissed at the inability of the government to do anything to stop a flood of workers from low wage countries like Croatia, Romania, and Slovakia flooding into the country. Again, that's great for you as an employer. I'm surprised that you can't see how that looks to the average blue collar worker.

 

Yes ofcourse there has been change, we can now get Polish plumbers, just as Texas can get Alabama plumbers. Why is that OK in the untied states of America, but not OK in the united states of Europe?
Freedom of movement was an essential part of a single market in the EU just as it is in the US.
And for all the Hullabaloo about FoM until covid unemployment in the UK was 3.8%. Indeed my mate is a property developer and they were sending minibuses 200 miles north to try and get Brickies and Plasterers. No boss was swamped with workers queuing at the gates.
So the reason I can't see it is it didn't happen.
Mostly the Polish/Romanian/ migrants referred to took menial jobs Brits didn't want, such as strawberry picking.
Indeed one of the problems before FoM was that Manufacturers were setting up plants in Poland and removing jobs altogether from the EU. By introducing FoM those Polish workers would no longer accept lower pay and would cross the border to better paid jobs, thus forcing Polish companies to up their wages of lose semi skilled workers.

 

I think I see the issue.

"Yes of course there has been change, we can now get Polish plumbers, just as Texas can get Alabama plumbers. Why is that OK in the untied states of America, but not OK in the united states of Europe?"

Because the EU isn't "the United States of Europe." I suspect in your country there is a divide between those, like you, who see the UK as simply a state in a larger federal system, and those in your country who see the UK as it's own sovereign country with it's own culture and economy. You sound like a foreigner in your own country.

 

We can be both.
We were but now we have lost most of the benefits of being in the single market with very few gains.
I honestly couldn't care less what colour my passport is but I do care about all the rights of an EU citizen that I've lost.

Tell me, what do you think I've gained?

 

Well it doesn't look like you can be both. But if you don't care about the sovereignty of your own country, that's your business. The problem is that you don't have enough people in your country who agree with you.

 

I can forgive you for not understanding that we never lost our sovereignty since you are a foreigner but those UK citizens should have known better.
Parliament is supreme and always was.
Any law or regulation from the EU had to pass Parliament before it became law here. That is sovereignty.

 

Are you sure you are not in the UK? Your words sound very like the vague claims of losing culture and freedom espoused by Brexiters over here.
Do you think Texans view themselves as "Simply a state in a larger federal system" Having lost their "culture and economy"?
I reassure you that after 40 plus years in the EU the French, the Germans, the Italians and the British are as culturally different as they ever were.

 

I have to say as someone who has travelled extensively across Europe, all cultural differences are dwarfed by the fact that pretty much every human is the same. They are all kind, chatty, friendly, absurd, funny and interesting. The Italians may all meet up outside to have giant extended family dinners, but ask for help changing your tyre and they are no different to a Brit, or an American for that matter.
Germans might have a name for ruthless efficiency, but talk to them and they still worry their mum can't cope in the family home any longer.
The same's vastly outweigh the differences.

 

And after 100 years of state hood has America become a homogenous blob? I don't think so, New Yorkers are a million miles different to Nebraskans.

 

No I'm not in the UK and again, you make my point.

The proper comparison with the UK is the US, not Texas. If you think Texas, and it's relationship to the federal government is a better example...well there's your problem.

 

I think you dodge the point and obfuscate.

 

I'm not going pretend to be an expert on the EU, but at least according to Wikipedia, your claim that "any law or regulation from the EU had to pass Parliament before it became law" is false.

"Regulations are in some sense equivalent to "Acts of Parliament", in the sense that what they say is law and they do not need to be mediated into national law by means of implementing measures. As such, regulations constitute one of the most powerful forms of European Union law and a great deal of care is required in their drafting and formulation.

When a regulation comes into force, it overrides all national laws dealing with the same subject matter and subsequent national legislation must be consistent with and made in the light of the regulation. While member states are prohibited from obscuring the direct effect of regulations, it is common practice to pass legislation dealing with consequential matters arising from the coming into force of a regulation."

 

Well maybe we are talking about two different points because I feel I'm addressing the one we were discussing.

 

So we are back to the never answered question.
Name one EU law the UK has not agreed to that has any significant effect on the average man/woman in the UK.
laws in the EU are made in very much the same way as the UK and I strongly suspect, the US.
Mep's discuss an issue and propose a law. The commission take the proposal and shape it into usable law. They bring it back to the Mep's to vote on.

And I feel you are not. Texas is an independent entity with its own laws, taxes, customs and traditions. Living under the umbrella of the United states.
The comparison with the UK and the EU is obvious.

 

~ Boris will " go along to get along" - Joe Biden is irrelevant. England looks very much like they are going along the way to a UN sponsored globalism pseudo-communist government with China looming in the background.

"The best is yet to come ! " ´

 

What "unanswered" question are you referring to? And why do you want me to name some EU law when I was discussing EU regulation?

I think at this point you are just being difficult since I can't convince you that Texas isn't some independent country that just happens to be in a free trade zone with 49 other independent nations.

I get it, you are pro EU and no doubt despise the Brexiters, but more to the point, I've learned that you can't even understand them. That has nothing to do with me since I'm not British, but I'm perhaps more sensitive to working class people in first world countries, and don't think their concerns should be ignored or stomped all over. But I can't tell you what to do, and if you won't believe me when I tell you that Texas is a State rather than an independent nation, you'll probably not listen to anything I have to say on the UK or the EU.