Biden kills 70,000 jobs in his first day.

Putting hands over ears and crying NO NO NO - does not change the fact that getting crude from Canada benefits our economy way more than getting it from Nigeria.

What is "ridiculous" is you making a bunch of false claims and ignoring reality.

I did not say Pollution does not harm us - but- getting Crude from Nigeria results in way more pollution - so it turns out that you are the one who does not care about pollution - the one who is anti Environment ..

Less harm is better than more harm don't you think ?

 

Ford cmax hybrid......that's your go to for merits of hybrids?

It was a terrible vehicle. It didn't come close to what Ford claimed. It bombed.

Look at the Volt too. Those were sold at a massive loss.

The cost to the consumer is far from the total cost of these vehicles.

They're getting better. Ford claimed (in 2019) that the mach e would turn a profit, but we'll see.

 

Pollution doesn’t benefit the economy. Ask any realtor. It’s a money making scheme by oil companies with support from uninformed gop following public that know little about science .

The onlything conservatives want to talk about is money making schemes at the deterrent of everything else....yet, they always end up with
Worse job numbers, recessions and increased pollution and more death and dying. The pipeline oil is the dirtiest on earth.

 

Biden’s pipeline policy is based on science. Trump is an idiot and republicans drink from the same swamp hole of greed.

 

BS.....

 

Gotta give you credit for being so honest about your own limitations.

 

FACTLESS denialism all you have?

All small vehicles are sold at a loss because the PROFITS are made via the BIG vehicles.

However the CMax and Focus hybrids enabled Ford to learn how to build the F150-E the and the Mustang-E both of which are going to be exceptionally profitable vehicles.

 

No one said pollution does benefit the economy. You are rambling nonsense - and nothing you have said changes the fact that crude from Nigeria is way worse for the environment than from Canada.

You say Canada crude is "dirtier" than Nigeria ... OK .. so what .. Canada does not dump crude onto the ground and into the Oceans - Nigeria does .

Why is it so difficult for you to comprehend this reality ?

 

No it isn't - Biden's policy is based on the Political Bandwagon.

Getting crude from Nigeria causes way more environmental pollution than from Canada. That is a scientific fact.

Another Scientific Fact that Biden and Blue in general does not often consider - is Ocean Pollution .. everything is all CO2, CO2 - Global warming because it is flashy.

Sure you can find these Ocean Pollution arguments on page 82 on the bottom corner of the NY-Times - or in Scientific magazines that nerds like me read.

It is not that Global warming is not a big issue - the problem is that Ocean Pollution is perhaps an even bigger issue - and it is certainly a more pressing issue - and this is not science that we guess about - "Something might happen in 20 years based on this model and 30 years based on that one"

This is happening right now .. but- neither you, nor Biden - seem to care. So who is the idiot here ? Trump did not give a hoot about the environment either .. terrible policy - just horrible...

But - it was better than Biden's .

Have you noticed how bad your arguments have been ? none addressing the issue.

"Canadian Crude is more toxic" - What a nonsense statement in context. What Crude isn't toxic - if you drink it - but if you don't drink it - it is not toxic at all.

1) Pipelines are the safest method of Transportation - and doesn't kill whales - nor pollute the Ocean - Pipeline spills on land are 100 x easier to clean up than in the Ocean .. and 1000 times easier if a surface water body is not impacted. The volume of contamination is way less .. animals impacted way less .. and so on. This is simply no contest

2) Pollution from Production Canada vs Nigeria - No Contest - Canada does not dump heavy metals and persistent organic pollutants into the Oceans

3) Canada is already industrialized so we are not increasing the number of industrialized citizens on this planet. Industrialization being the largest impediment to getting CO2 and Pollution under control . When you buy from 2cnd and 3rd world nations .. you are.

Is this fair ? Absolutely not. Is this Reality ? - Unfortunately it is. We all can not have smartphones and eat meat 7 times a week - and save the planet. I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news .. but this is reality ... reality that the PC crowd can't handle.

 

See, it’s all in the perspective. President Trump has managed to leave the Presidency with only 3mln fewer jobs then when he became President, devastating Chinese Virus and Democratic Governors notwithstanding.

 

You such clever lass

 

What is a pipeline policy, and what is Biden's?

 

Sleepy Joe’s pipeline policy is based on a science of a Green New Deal.

 

Nothing I said was factless. Cmax bombed. It was horribly received. Just because you don't know that doesn't make it 'factless'.

And don't act like what the volt was losing was normal....that's just dishonest.

 

Nice, sensible post, thank you. Still...

The agriculture sector is one of the world's biggest sources of climate-altering gases, the vast majority of which come from meat and dairy production. If cows were their own country, they would be the third-biggest greenhouse gas emitter in the world. ... Here, again, cows are a major culprit.

 

“Only” 3 million fewer jobs. That’s funny. Maybe you don’t understand that with population growth and new laborers entering the market every year, substantial job growth is necessary, just to break even. Minus any amount is horrendous.

Dem Govs ? Seemed like you had a harder time with repo govs who would NOT change the results in the last election. You guys are comical. Making up sht doesn’t work.

Trump disbanded the pandemic team which put us months behind having accurate info. He IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATHS OF MANY THOUSANDS.....

 

Another conspiracy theory. Cow fking is alive and well in the gop sht storm.

 

The defense of Trump is sounding suspiciously like that of Bush and other gop loser presidents....
Only 3 million jobs lost.
Only one recession.
Only 1/2 million dead from a disease Trump did nothing about
Only dozens of additional indicted admin and campaign loyalists.
And on it goes.....when incompetence is the real “excuse.”

 

Ha ha
Joe’s great eco policies after just a few days have just resulted in the Dow surging over 31k.

the green new deal is entirely science based. Your troglodytes don’t even believe in science. There is nothing in the deal that isn’t based in economics and science. It’s not trickledown BS.

 

LOL! The crappy monetary policy practiced by both parties is responsible for the stock market bubble and ,sorry, but computer models is not science.

 

I agree...BS=Biden Sucks.

 

Oh, you’re still under the mistaken dilusional idea we’re actually going to use this sludge ? Nope, it will go to the gulf and be shipped overseas. It’s the dirtiest fossil fuel on the face of the earth. If it were sweat crude low in silver content, their would be no debate, even from me.

Just being around tar sands is hazardous.

“it We already knew that Canadian tar sands oil is particularly damaging for the climate, but a new study reveals that the fuel is especially bad for human health, too. The study, published last week in the journal Nature, found that the vapors produced by a sizable oil sands operation cause as much air pollution as a major city.”

 

Well - not sure if you are being a bit facetious here but - you are correct.. but it is not just cow belches that are the problem - it is the fertilizer run off into the oceans - takes a whole lot of feed to grow a cow.

Consider the Graph of China's CO2 emissions through industrialization - which now make up 28% of global CO2 emissions - US is 15% by comparison.

China Prior to industrialization was around 7% .

A study I read over a decade ago stated that if China was to reach first world consumption rates - world resource production would have to double.

At the time 1.4 Billion were industrialized on the planet .. China was (11) in terms of consumption "First world (36)" bowl of rice a day in Africa (1)

So we have gone from say 1.4 Billion industrialized to say 2 Billion - but at the cost of massive massive pollution .. this is for the world.
not only in terms of CO2 .. but Ocean Pollution.

If we managed to double the number of people "first world" by 2030 to 2.8 Billion - we will not have made a dent in the number of non first world .. as from 2000 to 2030 - world population has grown by 1.5 Billion from 7-8.5 Billion.

so we are just at a fraction of the humans on this planet "First World" by 2030 ..

What does this have to do with Cows ? When you take someone eating a bowl of rice a day - and bring them to the USA - their cow consumption goes from zero to a whole lot.

Just for fun sometime google "Dead Zones in the Ocean" and Sargassum epidemic .. in the same search but separately also for the dead zones. Fertilizer stimulates bacteria which use up the oxygen creating an anoxic zone where fish and other ocean creatures can not live.
There has been massive increase in these zones.

This is not happening 40 years from now .. this is right now .. we can measure it. Heavy metals and Persistant organic Pollutants .. the Ocean is not a garbage can .. produces most of our oxygen.

Say we turn the whole thing anoxic .. no oxygen coming out of those zones Mate ..

So although this sounds harsh .. one of the worst things we can do to the planet .. is take someone from the 3rd world - and bring them into the 1st world .. that is the "Hard Science" .. those are the empirical facts.

What we don't want to be doing - is encouraging industrialization in the 3rd world .. nor the second world but this is not as bad- obviously.
We should not be buying Crude in from these nations .. do it here - where we can control the pollution - and they are huge Ocean Polluters - but also .. stop incentivizing industrialization ... it is the worst thing we can do .. guaranteed disaster.

Just look at China .. this was industrializing less than say 200 million to first world - another 200 million part way - the rest still barely above 3rd world.

Getting crude from "Nigeria" - Tanker , rather than Canada - Pipeline .. is dumb and dumber on steroids .. anti science, anti environment and anti economic security...

This is Politics running this puppy - not science - Blue has fallen off the turnip Truck

 

1) we use most of this oil - you don't know what you are talking about
2) Good if shipped elsewhere ... this is a good thing - as it was produced in a way more enviro friendly manner than "Nigeria"
3) A Refinery needs both heavy and light crude - you don't know what you area talking about
4) It doesn't matter to a refinery how toxic to a human this oil is .. You don't know what you are talking about.. I suggest not drinking sweet crude either .. What is the difference in terms of number of glasses of "Canadian heavy Crude" vs "Nigerian Heavy Crude" one needs to drink to get really sick ? Just how toxic is it dagosa ? and why does this matter ? and which is worse .. a spill of Canadian crude on land .. or Nigerian Heavy into the Ocean .. or sweet into the Ocean for that matter. . You have no clue what you are talking about.

Hands down .. a spill on land is 100 x less hazardous to the environment .. and having cleaned up a spill or two in my day - using alternative and innovative technology such as bioremediation .. I may have some clue what I am talking about.

There would be debate from you .. because you are a Blue sycophant .. and what ever Biden says is God's word. You have not responded to any of the science or logical argument presented.

 

Oh, I thought that would work with you.....it did with all Trumpers before when he touted this sht the next day in office.