Part 38 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Mitt Ryan

    Mitt Ryan Well-Known Member

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    No, the Holy Bible is not a theory. Here below are a few of the definitions of the word theory.

    Definitions of theory

    1: A mental viewing; contemplation. 2. A speculative idea or plan as to how something might be done. 3. A systematic statement of principles involved. 4. A formulation of apparent relationships or underlying principles of certain observed phenomena which has been verified to some degree. 5. Popularly, a mere conjecture, or guess.

    As you can plainly see no definitions of the word "theory" would apply to the book called the Holy Bible. The Holy Bible is called that because it is a sacred, sanctified book from God. Although there are some crazy conspiracy theories that some people believe in regarding the Bible. Maybe this is what is confusing you into thinking that the Holy Bible is a theory.

    But anyway because God is sacred, the words He speaks are also sacred. The Holy Bible is The Word of God. Just as God is perfect, so are His words perfect . Just as God is righteous and pure, so is His Word righteous and pure.

    We Read in Scripture:

    7 The instructions of the Lord are perfect, reviving the soul. The decrees of the Lord are trustworthy, making wise the simple. Psalm 19:7 NLT

    8 The commandments of the Lord are right, bringing joy to the heart. The commands of the Lord are clear, giving insight for living. Psalm 19:8 NLT
     
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    I dont know I didnt take a poll, but it will for anyone that wanted to read and check out the post, check it out you might like the info?
     
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    8820The States do
    I classify you as an incorrect prophet.
     
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    When was the last time you sacrificed a goat?
     
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    There's that dreaded "P" word again...sheeesh! Why do you continue to use that "P" word?

    The unicorn character is a fairy tale and can be shown that it was made up by the congregation of the church of No God fundamentalist to mock religion.

    But nobody on God's green earth can prove/disprove the existence of Almighty God! This has to be the billionth + 1 time I have made this statement...lol
     
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    If you had real faith in the Jesus character you would be able to do what he said you should be able to do. Since you can't do it, you lack faith and you are an atheist.
     
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    The AIDS epidemic and all other epidemics/pandemics/calamities/miseries/wars/ all human sufferings/etc...etc....that we humans are afflicted with are the result of sin.

    We live in a fallen sinful world that is what it boils down to. The pandemic that the whole world is going through right now is the result of sin.

    If the CCP in Wuhan prohibited their people from going abroad we wouldn't be in this mess today. But they didn't care what happened abroad but they sure as heck cared about their own country.

    So here is a good example of the sinful side of mankind. There's conspiracy theories that the CCP developed this corona virus in their labs...I wouldn't be surprised at all someday if we find out this to be true and that they purposely let it go wild into the world and in the process so far it has killed over two million people world-wide.

    Just a shame that the CCP didn't follow the Golden Rule but why would they, being that the CCP are primarily atheists. I know some of their people are followers of Christ and others follow the Islamic religion but these people of faith are persecuted severely in their own country.

    We Read in Scripture:

    The Golden Rule

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

    12 "Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets." Matthew 7:12 NLT
     
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    RE: Part 38 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity
    SUBTOPIC: The pandemic . → . is the result of sin.
    ⁜→ Mitt Ryan, et al,

    BLUF: This is trying to tie too many characteristics of "man" and the "deity" together with the "Wrath of the Deity."

    (COMMENT)

    How do we know this? Connect the data points together for me.

    (COMMENT)

    There are four conceptual lines of thought expressed here:

    ◈ There is such a thing as "Sin" (châtâ).
    ✦ The failure to keep the Mandates of the Supreme Being.
    ✦ In some cases, sin is a failure to honor Supreme Being in our human activities.​

    ◈ "Sin" is presumed to be the opposite of "Good."

    ◈ "Sin" is that which is prohibited by the "deity."
    ✦ Conscious or Unconscious Actions
    ✦ Witting or Unwitting Intent​

    ◈ The "world" is collectively judged as "sinful." This pits two competing ideas:
    ✦ The individual believer is to be punished for for the individual sin committed.
    ✦ This differs from the contagion (of disease from one person to another by close contact) of sin which affects the entirety of the species, liable to punishment for the failure to keep the Mandates of the Supreme Being.​

    (COMMENT)

    This is an allegation... What evidence is presented?

    The implied conspiracy: The Chinese Communist Party (CCP), controlling the Government of the People's Republic of China (PRC) intentionally allowed the spread of the Coronavirus (COVID-19) causing the pandemic.

    (COMMENT)

    Speculation.

    (COMMENT)

    Agreed! The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is officially a party of atheists. This is the position of the political party and not the belief of the general population. Having said that, what harm does the party of atheists present towards reality?

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    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    You are correct about it being a shame that the Communist Party went away from Confucianism - away from the Golden Rule.
    It is unfortunate that the religious fundamentalists have also strayed from that path - and Christianity in general.

    Not sure what any of this has to do with AIDs and other diseases though.. Do you think this is God punishing us or just Nature ?
     
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    I would suggest that if you did take a poll - you would find that most people would find running down the semantic rabbit hole quite distasteful - bad form - bad taste - and void of logic in many cases.
     
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    If you think analysis that drives to a singular answer is semantics then your making a serious error in logic, a composition fallacy, carry on........
     
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    it's not my fault you don't like the definition of both religion and atheism. Atheism, by definition, is not a religion.


    You have no idea what any of these mean, and you've been called on this numerous times.
    correcting you isn't me being dishonest
     
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    Good post Gift. Well yeah Confucianism does have the Golden Rule but did you know the Golden Rule originated from the Bible? Over a thousand years before any other religions picked it up.

    Yeah, I hear you, religious fundamentalists have strayed from that path and Christianity in general. The fact is we humans are not perfect, non of us can claim we are perfect thus we continually and are prone into making mistakes/errors, we can be one bunch of confused souls, so we have that tendency to stray from the correct path that God has given us.

    Yeah, the OP was regarding the AIDS epidemic but I chose to cover a current day event that is plaguing mankind at the moment, which is still related in the sense that they are a result of sin.

    I have 38 Parts to my Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity and I'm still answering questions from Part 10. I am so far behind but I have said that I will do my best to try to answer everyone's questions/comments that are posed to me on these threads of mine and so that's what I'm doing. But occasionally I do answer/respond to the current thread I'm on.

    Lastly, God has always been punishing us ever since the disobedience that took place in the Garden of Eden. We all have to die one day because we are all guilty of sins, except for babies/children who are essentially innocent and not of culpable/accountable age, so they go to heaven when they die automatically which is the Christian belief.

    All others who are accountable for their sins must choose their eternal destinies. Some of us will go to heaven and others to hell based on our choices. If we don't accept Jesus Christ as our Lord Savior then off we go to that place of doom.

    We Read in Scripture:

    23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23 NLT
     
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    Golden rule indeed goes back - at least as far as that law document that proceeded Hamurrabi's code .. Code of Ur-Nammu - around 2100 BC .. which is near the time of the flood going by the Biblical Timeline.

    You speak way too "defacto" of God's mind. The Genesis story was taken from a much older myth ..a story with many Gods - The Jewish theologians around the time of Persia took parts of this story and tried to tell it from a monotheistic perspective

    Since you have yet to figure out what the "Sons of God's" are in the story so I don't think you understand the story well enough to comment as you do .. you just kind of make things up as you go - trying to make what ever you come across fit with man made dogma.
     
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    Yup, it was rahl.

    I'm ultimately okay with differing terminology usage, so long as one can expand upon it, provide clarification when asked to do so, and can provide their reasoning for it. For example:

    Way #1 (more common):
    Theism = The belief that God/s exist.
    Atheism = The belief that God/s do not exist.
    Agnosticism = Not adhering to either belief.

    Way #2 (less common):
    Theism = Holding a belief regarding god/s.
    Atheism = "without god/s" (iow NOT holding a belief regarding god/s). The word "atheism", as used here, would be akin to the word Agnosticism from Way #1.

    Additionally, under Way #2, a Way #1 "atheist" would be considered a theist, since that person holds a belief regarding god/s, but just holds a "no" belief rather than a "yes" belief.

    To avoid such confusion of differing terminology, and to get right at the heart of such discussions, I now purposely use the term "Church of No God" to describe a Way #1 "atheist".
     
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    Continued denial of logic... No new argumentation presented.
     
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    I don't need a new argument. I correctly pointed out atheism by definition is not a religion. I also correctly pointed out there is no logical argument for the existence of a god. You not liking either of those facts doesn't make them go away.
     
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    With one Christ, gospel, and authority, in the midst of 40,000 different Christian denominations, essentially proffering 40,000 different Christs, gospels and authorities. To find the truth is nearer to finding a needle in a haystack. It is off-putting. Furthermore, one cannot, by reading scripture, lay claim to authority or the power to baptize or give the gift of the holy ghost. One cannot baptize oneself or perform any ordinance. And so, if people cannot find a needle in a haystack or grant oneself divine authority or absolution by virtue of will. Where does it leave them but to dismiss the matter off hand as frivolous and heady. Consequently, it is my opinion that if, as many do say, the non believers will go to hell for rejecting salvation, then how will they themselves not go there instead, for having steered the unbelievers away from salvation by a multitude of false Church's, not unlike the angels sword at Eden edge, banishing Adam and Eve to a life of toil. So what is the purpose of salvation and the true path, if wickedness throws up a hedge to confuse and deny the weary traveler. When have falsehoods become truth, and the sincere seekers shorn and funneled to fit the limitations of this or that self exalted dogma. It is a hideous thing to do to ones fellow man, to either rob his trust or throw him to the fire. This is not the true and living God that I know. Granted, joining any moderate denomination or privately taking Jesus gospel to heart cannot but better a person. But to then say that therefore those who do not trifle their own souls eternal welfare are going to hell, is short sighted, self righteous, harsh and utterly unchristian, no nearer to salvation than Atheism, but for the sentiments of the heart within each person whom God sees and judges.
     
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    STDs, including other diseases, is one of the consequences of sin. So to the answer your wondering, it came from sin.

    So don't worry about pleasing your wife...you're doing fine...unless you're also pleasing someone else's wife/girl friend...then you have committed a sexual sin and not doing fine and quite possibly contribute by catching that terrible epidemic of sinful fornicated disease.

    We Read in Scripture:

    3 God’s will is for you to be holy, so stay away from all sexual sin. 1 Thessalonians 4:3 NLT
     
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    What!...you...Open laugh out loud at me!...you serious!?...lol

    No Alpha, not based on my feelings but on my observations, I should say by our (mankind's) observations that life is not evident elsewhere in the universe especially in our own backyard of our solar system.

    So I'm not saying I'm absolutely sure but so far there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that there is life elsewhere in the cosmos. But we (Christians) believe that it was Almighty God's handiwork that we clearly see in the sky above. We can clearly observe that but we just can't observe life elsewhere in God's handiwork. So who knows if there life elsewhere...only God knows.

    We Read in Scripture:

    The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. Psalm 19:1 ESV
     
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    They realized that if they had a pandemic, and the rest of the world didn't, that they would lose their relative position as #2 pursuing the #1 spot that the US holds. So, they locked down domestic air travel, and let 5,000,000 visitors leave Wuhan seeding the pandemic throughout the world.

    UNEXPECTEDLY! WHO: After Running Our Probe Under Lying Outlaw China’s Direction, We Find China Blameless For COVID-19.

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    Did COVID-19 break out of a research laboratory in China, the result of either incompetence or malice? Nope, not at all, the World Health Organization concluded after several weeks of investigation in Wuhan. WHO concluded that the likeliest scenario is a transfer from another species to human in the vicinity of that biological research facility that, er, Beijing doesn’t want anyone inspecting:
    Well, as long as investigators kept an open mind, what’s to debate? Er … maybe this report from the Associated Press at the end of December?
    An international organization dedicated to both science and independence would not have conducted an investigation under these conditions, but, as has been entirely clear since the beginning of this crisis, WHO is dedicated to neither. Under the direction of Tedros Ghebreyesus, WHO has acted as Xi Jinping’s wingman and as China’s apologist.
     
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    I myself personaly have never sacrificed a goat, I have no reason to. Why would I sacrifice a goat? Sacrifice it for what? I don't even eat goat meat, I don't know anyone who does or if people do eat goat meat...I don't know...I guess some people do.

    But anyway I have no idea why you ask such an incoherent question...oh wait...I know...this is coming from gawd so it has to be about mocking, ridicule, etc...etc.

    Yeah it's just gawd being gawd...lol Hey gawd, seriously now, when are you going to ask me a real tough coherent question that is not tarnished/embedded with scorn, ridicule, mocking?

    Something that's really going to be tough. After all this is the Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity thread. So far you're just throwing me softballs...throw some hardballs for a change
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    I just don't think you're even capable of doing that...you are so filled to the brim with contempt/hatred/etc...etc.

    We Read in Scripture:

    7 Don’t be misled—you cannot mock the justice of God. You will always harvest what you plant. Galatians 6:7 NLT

    7 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. Galatians 6:7 ESV
     
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    Yes, you do.

    You were incorrect, as I have already explained.

    You were incorrect, as I have already explained.

    Learn what a fact is. It is not a universal truth, nor is it a proof.
     
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    I of course do not.


    except I am demonstrably correct, and you of course know that. Atheism is by definition not a religion, the same way not playing baseball isn't a sport. And there are no logical arguments for the existence of a god, just like there are no logical arguments for the existence of the tooth fairy.

    I know what it is. You don't seem to like them.
     
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    Well the reality is at this point we can only speculate. There is no evidence of life anywhere so far except just here on God's green earth. The vastness of the infinite universe just boggles our finite minds no doubt. What an all powerful Almighty God to have created it...whoa! ...such awesome power!

    And to think there are people who believe everything was manufactured by some unexplainable cosmic accident...nothing caused it, the universe just appeared one day...yeah right!...lol

    Show me a person who believes this cosmic accident theory and I will show you a certified fool.

    We Read in Scripture:

    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1 NLT
     
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