Part 38 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

What you accept has no relevance to reality. Humans are animals, like every other. You would have to show your god actually exists in order to show he created anything.

 

People are evolving at this very instance. 21st Century humans are growing a third artery in their forearms, whereas people just a couple of centuries only had two arteries in their forearms. So, maybe in a few more centuries everyone will have a functioning brain.

 

"We Christians" certainly do not believe that every word in the Bible is the literal word of God - and especially those of us who have done our homework.

Not sure who your "We Christians includes" .. by mine includes the vast majority of Christianity - Orthodox, Catholic and the majority of Protestant denominations.

"Evolution" - is a Theory .. you seem to not understand the difference between Theory and Hypothesis in Science. A Theory is something that has been proven.

Evolution - is a fact - Cells mutate - how many examples would you like. If you want to question that the evolutionary process went from ape to man .. OK - question away .. but the fact that evolution happens is unquestionable .

 

No, you're not way off, because those types of killings you're describing are self-defense killings, self-defense killings are not murder unless there really was no need for the killing but you went ahead and done the killing.

So it really depends on the situation, I mean you don't always have to resort to killing someone in self-defense. No one should be too quick to use deadly force against another, even someone who means to do him harm.

It is clear that the Bible never forbids self-defense, and believers are allowed to defend themselves and their families. Below is a passage from the book of Exodus during the time of Moses we get a glimpse on how they viewed self-defense.

We Read in Scripture:

2 “If a thief is caught in the act of breaking into a house and is struck and killed in the process, the person who killed the thief is not guilty of murder. 3 But if it happens in daylight, the one who killed the thief is guilty of murder. Exodus 22:2-3 NLT

 

Your reply is an excellent one in my opinion and is very much along the lines of what I also concluded once I read the Book of Machabees and finally clued to what Jesus meant by that question to the Pharisees.

Mar 3:4

And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.

 

I do believe that evolution in a sense occurred but I believe that our Creator learned and learned and learned and got better and better and better at creation over infinite time in the past but..... an Adam and Eve pair or as was shown to Edgar Cayce.... at least five Adam and Eve pairs were created on the earth that were the result of all that our Creator learned over infinite time in the past....... The Atheistic version of Evolutionary Theory that is taught today is biased against the type of Intelligence that would evolve over infinite time in fundamental or nearly fundamental energy.

So in a sense "God evolved" but Adam and Eve were created in such a way that all that God had learned was applied in their being creative much as our Creator is creative and able to learn more and more from what they create.

I wrote up a blog on how that happened....

www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

We humans tend toward being very fearful of the TRUTH of what an Intelligence would be like that evolved over infinite time in the past in fundamental or nearly fundamental energy.

This webpage will give you a good idea of what our Creator is like.....


https://www.near-death.com/science/research/life-review.html

 

First, let me be perfectly clear, God does not change His mind.

We Read in Scripture:

19 God is not a man, so he does not lie. He is not human, so he does not change his mind. Has he ever spoken and failed to act? Has he ever promised and not carried it through? Numbers 23:19 NLT

6 “I am the Lord, and I do not change. That is why you descendants of Jacob are not already destroyed. Malachi 3:6 NLT

Ok now, let's do the hypothetical situation. Let me first answer the first part of your two part question, "If God changed His mind about what is sinful, what happened to those who were sent to hell for sins He changed His mind about"?

Nothing, they would remain in hell because they are guilty of breaking the unpardonable sin which is the sin of not believing in Him. They are in hell because they didn't believe in Him. The sin of not believing in Him is the only unpardonable sin, all other sins are pardonable. So that answers the first part of your question.

Now the 2nd part of your question, "what happened to those that made it into heaven having committed actions that are now deemed sinful?"

Once again, nothing, they would remain in heaven because they are not guilty of breaking the unpardonable sin which is the sin of not believing in Him. They are in heaven because they believed in Him, and all their pardonable sins were forgiven.

People are where they are in eternity based on the choice they made regarding belief/unbelief in God. God only pardons people for pardonable sins but not for the unpardonable sin, which is the sin for not believing in Him.

So the only unpardonable sin is that of continued unbelief. There is no pardon for a person who dies in his rejection of Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is at work in the world, convicting the unsaved of sin, righteousness, and judgment.

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

8 "And when he comes, he will convict the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgment." John 16:8 NLT

If a person resists that conviction and remains unrepentant, then he is choosing hell over heaven. Without faith it is impossible to please God.

We Read in Scripture:

6 And it is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him. Hebrews 11:6 NLT

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ is the object of faith. Without faith in Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ there is no forgiveness for someone who dies.

We Read in Scripture:

31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, along with everyone in your household.” Acts 16:31 NLT

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

16 "For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 NLT

6 Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me." John 14:6 NLT

To reject the only Savior is to be left with no means of salvation; to reject the only pardon is, obviously, unpardonable.

 

I am confident that I am following the correct religion based on the evidence I have gathered and evaluated on a personal/individual perspective. I did my deligent research and found the Christian religion to be above the rest, it was shall we say compellingly, persuasively believable.

Do you know of any other religion that could top the Christian Religion? And please don't say the Church of no god religion. The atheist church is just not the church for me...heavens no! When it comes to faith, I believe I'm on the right side of the faith totem pole.

We Read in Scripture:

Great Examples of Faith

11 Faith shows the reality of what we hope for; it is the evidence of things we cannot see. 2 Through their faith, the people in days of old earned a good reputation.
3 By faith we understand that the entire universe was formed at God’s command, that what we now see did not come from anything that can be seen. Hebrews 11:1-3 NLT

 

Every religion on earth for all of human history has the same amount of evidence for the existence of it's god. Which is zero. And to clarify, there is no such thing as "church of no god". Atheism is by definition, not a religion.

 

Your post as usual is so disrespectful towards Almighty God!, The Creator of the universe and of all living beings!...wow!...such foolishness!

You can mock God all you want now but they will be a day of reckoning. Come Judgment Day what excuse are you going to give Him before He boots your foolish soul into the realm of eternal damnation? It will be too late then to try to ask for forgiveness from Him. You got to ask for forgiveness now while you're still in your earthly body.

We Read in Scripture:

7 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. Galatians 6:7 ESV

1 Only fools say in their hearts, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good! Psalm 53:1 NLT

So for you Alpha and all other unrepentant sinners there is still hope, hope for you to change your evil ways and repent now before it's too late.

We Read in Scripture:

38 And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Acts 2:38 ESV

 

Well, that statement is true, sorry you feel it's a fallacious statement but sometimes I know the truth doesn't sit well with others.

I know that Christians are just as capable to do evil, matter of fact Christians freely admit we are all sinners just like everyone else. No one on God's green earth can boast/claim they are without sin. Only one person who ever lived on God's green earth was without sin.

Now getting back to my statement, if there were indeed Christians involved then they are/were rogue Christians. If you don't agree with that then what do you want to do about my statement besides calling it "No True Scotsman fallacy"? Do you want to argue about it? You have the floor. What evidence do you have that these Christians weren't rogue if they were indeed involved?

 

"Rogue" Elephants and/or Rogue female Republican Governors are still Elephants or Governors and Rogue Christians are still Christians, that's all I'm saying.

I think the problem comes from a sort of implication that Christians cannot do wrong, I see that in most Christian writing, not just yours, even when it's not there. Sorry.

 

Oh ok, yeah I agree with you. Yes, these Christians were rogue and they are still Christians. That's what I saying too. So I guess there was just a little misunderstanding on my part. I just didn't like the fallacy part you associated with my statement but again ok, we'll just leave it as a misunderstanding on my part.

 

I am a Christian.... and I plead guilty......
I have many biases and I am sure that although I can admit to several of my biases I suspect that I really have ten thousand percent more biases than I could begin to list.........


I ran into something today that will challenge Mr. Mitt Ryan........
I personally see no definite or automatic contradiction between part of the testimony of Mrs. Mary K. Baxter with chapter forty one of Gospel Principles?

Am I an idiot to not see likely or definite contradiction here???????

Chapter forty one of Gospel Principles is brilliant...... and I believe accurate.... and it seems to contradict what Mrs. Mark K. Baxter was shown... but I believe that these are just different aspects of the very same offensive, challenging and huge topic of what happens to us after we die.



https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org...apter-41-the-postmortal-spirit-world?lang=eng

Gospel Principles is a Latter day Saint publication that I very impressed by........ but I cannot use it to negate or rule out some of those scary hellish accounts of what Hades is like for some!

 

Thanks a lot Dennis for that Mary K. Baxter article...now I'm going to have nightmares all night long tonight when I tuck myself in....lol

 

I think I might just have some nightmares myself!!!! That was scary!!!!


To my thinking... there is no definite or clear contradiction between what author Mary K. Baxter reports being shown with chapter forty one of Gospel Principles!
There may be a contradiction........ but I personally cannot be dogmatic in saying that the possible contradiction is there... because if there are contradictions there I am not certain what they are.

I greatly prefer the flavour.. .the sound... the atmosphere produced by Gospel Principles chapter forty one but.......... I believe that both Latter day Saints as well as Pentecostals have much to discuss with each other when it comes to the State of the Dead.

https://thirdhour.org/forums/topic/...ecostals/?page=3&tab=comments#comment-1063049

"Greater unity between Latter day Saints and Pentecostals ...."

 

Hey, well **** Jesus if he's that much of an *******. I'll suffer for eternity but at least I'll know I'm not spending it kissing some priggish dick's ass.

You people depict Jesus as the worst kind of person we have to deal with in life, the jerkwad who shits on people daily because they won't kiss his ass and tell him how wonderful he is for doing it, then you tell us. "If you just give up all the pleasures life offers and instead give it to the Church so they can spend it on gold altars and private jets for the pastor we'll let you live under Priggy McPriggshit and watch him torture people forever."

Thanks but no thanks. I think you have God wrong, if he exists he admires St Francis more than St. Cyril. (the Cyril from Alexandria, not Constantinople)

 

Mitt, please read the fairy tale before making comments. You are making yourself look bad. The God character doesn't change his mind? That's too funny!

Exodus 32:14 (CEV) = So even though the Lord had threatened to destroy the people, he changed his mind and let them live.

Psalm 106:45 (CEB) = God remembered his covenant for their sake, and because of how much faithful love he has, God changed his mind.

Jeremiah 18:7-10 (CEV) =
7 If I threaten to uproot and shatter an evil nation 8 and that nation turns from its evil, I will change my mind.

9 If I promise to make a nation strong, 10 but its people start disobeying me and doing evil, then I will change my mind and not help them at all.

Jeremiah 26:3 (CEV) = 3 Maybe the people will listen this time. And if they stop doing wrong, I will change my mind and not punish them for their sins.

Jeremiah 26:13 (ERV) = 13 You people, change your lives! You must start doing good! You must obey the Lord your God. If you do that, he will change his mind. He will not do the bad things he told you about.

Jeremiah 26:19 (ERV) = 19 “King Hezekiah of Judah and the people of Judah did not kill Micah. You know that Hezekiah respected the Lord and wanted to please him. So the Lord changed his mind and didn’t do the bad things to Judah that he said he would do. If we hurt Jeremiah, we will bring many troubles on ourselves. And those troubles will be our own fault.”

Joel 2:14 (CEV) = I am the Lord your God. Perhaps I will change my mind and treat you with mercy. Then you will be blessed with enough grain and wine for offering sacrifices to me.

Amos 7:3 (ERV) = Then the Lord changed his mind about this. The Lord said, “It will not happen.”

Amos 7:6 (ERV) = Then the Lord changed his mind about this. The Lord God said, “It will not happen either.”

Jonah 3:10 (ERV) = God saw what the people did. He saw that they stopped doing evil. So God changed his mind and did not do what he planned. He did not punish the people.

Zechariah 8:15 (ERV) = “But now I have changed my mind. And in the same way I have decided to be good to Jerusalem and to the people of Judah. So don’t be afraid!

 

Sorry gawd but again as I have told you many times before in the past that lots of people make the mistake of picking out certain verses, (so it's not only you gawd) disregarding everything else in context only to come away with an incorrect interpretation of what they had just read. Sometimes things are to be taken literally other times it is not to be taken literally.

All those verses in Scripture you listed can be explained thoroughly and in depth that though it appears God is changing His mind, He is really not doing that.

I suggest you go to any Christian website, doesn't matter which one, heck go to a bunch of them and you will get an explanation that essentially makes the point that God does not change His mind. They will give you the correct interpretation of those verses you listed, there is more at work here that is going on that you are not understanding.

When you go to their websites just type in their search box: "Does God change His mind?"

But I can tell you right here emphatically that...read my lips....God does not change His mind!

Ok so again, to get an in depth explanation, go to any one of those Christian websites...all you got to do is google to find them, I'm sure you're capable of doing that.

 

Let me present some logical reasoning why atheism is a religion.

The first verse of your religious text goes like this:

"In the beginning no god created the universe and earth, nothing caused it, the universe and earth just appeared for no apparent reason one day by some accidental unexplainable cosmic event."

So essentially that is your belief, a belief that you cannot prove nor can anyone else disprove.

So you have to have faith to believe what you believe. By having faith that makes you a religious person.

In conclusion, you have a belief that cannot be proven/disproven, therefore you must have faith into believing it is true, having faith makes you a religious person. Atheism therefore is a religion. So you belong to the church of no god fundamentalism.

 

no point, as the definition of atheism precludes it from being a religion.

there is no religious text for atheism.

atheism is the lack of belief, not an active belief.

I do not believe. I lack belief in your god, as there is zero evidence to support the claim that it exists.

addressed and refuted this already. Atheism means the lack of belief in a god or gods. That is by definition, not a belief and also not a religion.

 

Lets correct this for what a genuine atheist thinks as opposed to your imaginary one.

IF there was a beginning of the universe I do not know what caused it.

Now where is the religion in that?

 

Genetics? Genetics has nothing to do with a person's character/behavior. People are not born to be violent/a criminal. It comes down to choices that people make, their surroundings, the environment they're in, the people they associate with...etc...etc. has an effect and impact that shapes a person's character/behavior.

Therefore when you want to assign blame, put the blame in the right place....and not on Almighty God!

Remember, He has given us the gift of free will. Whatever choices/decisions we make we are responsible for the consequences that result from those choices/decisions.

We Read in Scripture:

9 The Lord detests the way of the wicked,

but he loves those who pursue godliness. Proverbs 15:9 NLT

 

Ok Ronald, let me take a methodical, logical approach here so you can finally see/understand that holding the belief that atheists such as yourself adhere to makes atheism a religion.

So your statement now is, "IF there was a beginning of the universe I do not know what caused it."

So you are admitting by that statement alone you are not sure if the universe had a beginning and if it did you do not know what caused it.

But yet, you deny that it was God who caused it when believers in God read from their text in the very first sentence which states, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

Atheists such as yourself deny that it was God who did the creating because Atheism can be defined as, a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods.

Let me put up what I presented to rahl, I might as well give you the same dose below:

The first verse of your religious text goes like this:

"In the beginning no god created the universe and earth, nothing caused it, the universe and earth just appeared for no apparent reason one day by some accidental unexplainable cosmic event."

So essentially that is your belief, a belief that you cannot prove nor can anyone else disprove.

So you have to have faith to believe what you believe. By having faith that makes you a religious person.

So you have a belief that cannot be proven/disproven, therefore you must have faith into believing it is true, having faith makes you a religious person. Atheism therefore is a religion. So you belong to the church of no god fundamentalism.

One last note: You are also not being consistent in your belief system, first you state, "IF there was a beginning of the universe I do not know what caused it."

But then your atheistic belief states, "A strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods." So you're essentially saying, I don't know what caused it but I know it wasn't God because I don't believe in a god or gods. Do you see you are contradicting yourself here?

So in conclusion: You are inconsistent in your belief system, you are not aware that you are a person of faith. A person of faith is a religious person.

To further illustrate atheism is a religion below are definitions of atheism from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary. See 1b highlighted.

1a: a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods

b: a philosophical or religious position characterized by disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods

I rest my case, have a wonderful night Ronald.

 

Take away your imaginings of wrote you think I believe and read what I wrote. Now go ahead and make a strawman of your imaginings.But show where I deny god could exist, getting tired of liars for jesus.