Biden DOE Blocked Texas from Increasing Power Ahead of Storm

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  1. LoneStarGal

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    The one linked in Post #1. :roll:
     
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    Question: was that sky high rise in cost only temporary during the winter storm crisis... or is that still the cost going forward ?

    There are laws against price gouging during emergency conditions [like hurricanes, etc]

    How to Spot and Report Price Gouging | Office of the Texas Attorney General

    " Price gouging is illegal, and the Office of the Attorney General has authority to prosecute any business that engages in price gouging after a disaster..."

    https://www.texasattorneygeneral.go...gency-scams/how-spot-and-report-price-gouging

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    The sad part of the whole thing is that Texas electricity is about the same price as it's neighbors.
    I wonder who gets the savings?
     
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    The Texas AG needs to sue the Biden Administration and the DOE.
     
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    Wow Biden and his team trying to profit on off the people of Texas during a winter storm. This is criminal and an investigation needs to take place.
     
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    They have a plan in Texas where the price is allowed to vary with supply and demand. Not all plans are this way, but they are about 1/2 price during normal times.
    Once they ran out they had to buy from wherever they could get it.
    So it's really not price gouging, it's what they had to pay to take it away from somebody else.
     
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    Tx runs their own system.
    The story is fake news.

    Tx is like the power capitol of the world.
     
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    AG Ken Paxton should be glad to add it to his current actions against the Biden administration!

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    I saw on TV news a press conference with ERCOT officals who basically said energy prices were being raised through the roof!

    Raising prices during an emergency because they can is price gouging!

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    Isn't this the exact system Tx consumers signed up for?
    They went to a private delivery system instead of gov't run/sponsored.
     
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    The request was for permission to increase our own Texas energy, not to take away from any other state. The Biden Administration essentially said, "Only if you at least charge $1,500/MWh." That's totally on the federal government with Joe Dementia Biden in charge.
     
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    Tx power is a private run system.
    They don't rely on the fed gov't.
     
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    Now it's becoming more clear why Biden and his comrades erected a huge security fence and brought in a massive number of military troops to protect his DC criminal cabal !!

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    China Joe Biden should 100% be Impeached for this outrage. Not only did they let Texans die, they then had them price gouged during a crisis in extreme ways.

    It's inhuman and it's the Democratic Party.
     
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    Please stop. It's embarrassing to even read your uninformed posts on how it actually works. Texas has Federal Environmental restrictions, just like every state, and the Biden Administration refused to wave them in the face of a humanitarian crisis.
     
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    TBH I doubt it made much difference in the grand scheme of things. With so much uninsulated infrastructure shutting down for technical reasons due to the cold, I doubt they could have done much more even if the Biden Administration had offered instead to pay them $1500/MWh to produce more energy. Don't get me wrong, it was a crappy decision by DC, but if your wind turbine is frozen, it is frozen at any price. There was too much demand and not enough supply and that resulted in sustained blackouts to prevent electronics-killing brown out conditions.
     
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    We'll see what ERCOT says to the state legislature this week in hearings.
     
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    We will and hopefully grid stability gets discussed at length and not just in passing. I have read on a couple industry websites already that they came dangerously close to a complete automated grid shutdown across all producers because of the huge lopside between supply and demand that could not be balanced out without those wide area blackouts they had to resort to.
     
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    ERCOT went from assuring the governor that we were in fine shape a few days in advance to saying they were minutes away from losing the entire grid after the freeze hit. Blackouts are the very last action they take in a Level 3 power emergency.

    The public definitely needs some answers this week.
     
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    Sure. I just hope it doesn't become a 3 ring circus. People make certain assumptions in predicting these things that don't work out. A few years ago, the remnants of a hurricane was forecasted to be no big thing when it passed over my area. Nobody did much preparation and the weather forecasts were a couple inches of rain over a day. It ended up being like 13 inches of rain over a couple three hours. It was hideous. People drowned, massive localized flooding events, extensive damage, and a power grid that went 75% off line. EMS had something like 800 plus water rescues that day (mostly people stuck in flooded cars on roadways though so not especially life threatening). Several months later I walked down to take some snaps at a washed out road about a half mile from my house. There among the debris was a sawhorse I had leaned up against my house that I had just assumed someone had stolen as I hadn't even noticed it was missing until awhile after the storm. There was a normally small creek running through a massive culvert at that spot that saw the culvert picked up and washed a hundred feet downstream, road and all by the huge flash flood that hit it. Anyway, that saw horse had to go from my back yard, down a creek, across a golf course into another creek to end up where it did. It was insane.
     
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    Lol...actually, it’s also trump’s fault.
    The corrupt repubs who run Texas took their cue from the orange dotard who deregulated everything and encouraged scammers and fraudsters to rig the industry to benefit themselves instead of their customers.
    The extortionate price gouging for electricity that left customers with $10,000 bills for 1 week is proof of their greedy, self serving agenda.
    We warned you that everything the former guy touches turns to ****, and now Texans are enjoying the fruits of his labor.
     
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    Generators should not exorbitantly profit from a crisis they helped create. Consumers and retailers should not be the only parties suffering from the failures of the market. This is the most proactive step the Commission can take to protect Texas consumers.


    Texas REP Asks PUC To Re-Price Scarcity Prices Since Feb. 15 To $1,500 For Energy, $500 For Ancillary Services -- EnergyChoiceMatters.com

    "At various times today (Feb. 15), energy prices across the system have been as low as approximately $1,200[/MWh]," the order states. "The Commission believes this outcome is inconsistent with the fundamental design of the ERCOT market. Energy prices should reflect scarcity of the supply. If customer load is being shed, scarcity is at its maximum, and the market price for the energy needed to serve that load should also be at its highest."

    Texas regulators keep prices near $9,000/MWh cap during rotating outages | S&P Global Platts
     
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