Culture of Shootings , "Thoughts and Prayers" But No Solutions

Katrina. You are wrong.

 

Actually, my spouse said I am wrong too! However, personally, this would be a compromise I could live with. But note the responsibility put upon gun sellers would be a simple look and see. Not a form sent to government requesting info that would include answering various questions about the buyer and the gun and then a months long wait to "get permission".

 

You aren’t aware you have had (at least, depending on what definition is used) three mass shootings since your “ban”? Did you not know this or are you trying to pull a con?

 

No Katrina, you are.

 

There was a 2 week period during Hurricane Katrina in which your assumptions don't hold. There was no security. Humans have a right to at least attempt to secure themselves. It's a fundamental human right, and the real reason it's included in our law. Disarming the people violates fundamental human rights.

 

Thanks for sharing your personal opinion. I shared the historical facts and why it was added in the first place, and it disagrees with your opinion. 2A was not added because the framers felt gun ownership is a "fundamental human right". You can consider it as such, but that was not the reason it was added.

 

Socialism is a wonderful thing. A really wonderful thing. But it can be corrupted just as much as any other form of government. The Soviet Union was a shithole but when Gorbatjov finally showed up to reform the country, it was already too late. Americans are suffering from the same crap as everyone else these days. The difference is that we got here by different routes and our deliverance will be by different means. Some will achieve it by Democratic vote, others by armed revolution, and others still by an invasion from abroad. Which one do you think will be necessary for the U.S?

 

"The shooter" didn't make bail? I guess he failed to get the judge to feel sorry for him.

 

Absolutely yes, we...and especially those with anger, despair and hopelessness need to know they were created and loved by a God who has a plan for them and promises a future.

Why do you think mass murders happen? Its because they are angry have no hope and they want revenge against a world. They may enjoy inflicting pain, to hurt....because they are empty of God's goodness. Christiananity teaches to love and forgive, even your enemies...which can brings peace and a sound mental health as opposed to being eaten up by hatred.

Yep if we WERE a devout Christian nation these mass murders would be far less.

 

Christianity centers around Jesus. The Bible is what we have as his record past, present and future. One can "make up" a non Biblical jesus they like better....but its not based on anything Holy or God driven.

Reading the sermons written in the Book of Acts just a few years after the resurrection, is exactly the same message I hear today in my own church. It has stood the test of time.

 

I’m not sure Jesus would have approved of the crusades, witch burnings, wiping out of heresies for minor different points of view, the treatment of women as second class citizens (especially Mary Magdalene... I think he would be especially upset by that), treatment of gay people, etc etc. sure, many of Jesus’ words are in there, but I believe the overall message was twisted in the Bible to make it easier to centralize power in the church over the people, and that many of his words and teachings were purposely left out. These are my beliefs, take them with a grain of salt, and if they upset you I apologize.

Personally I think Jesus was a great being of incredible wisdom and full of the knowledge of universal truth.

 

And now this.....this guy did not shoot anyone, so not sure if he will actually be penalized for anything

Man arrested with 6 guns, body armor at Publix grocery store
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...t-publix-grocery-store/ar-BB1eW7bK?li=BBnbfcL
Two days after 10 people were murdered at a grocery store in Colorado, a man was arrested at an Atlanta supermarket with a semiautomatic rifle, a shotgun and four handguns. The man also was wearing body armor and had a cache of ammunition, according to police.

 

I gave you people a solution yesterday. But maybe you missed it so I will repeat.

1. Quick trial.
2. Quick appeal (one only, not decades of endless appeals).
3. Public execution via hanging or electric chair. No putting down the killer like a family pet with an injection.

Like I said before. Do that a few times within a year of a mass murder and we can talk about gun control. Otherwise [deleted]. Now -- I have given you a proposed solution other than thoughts and prayers, so please don't keep repeating the liberal lie that conservatives never have a solution other than thoughts and prayers. To be fair, your version of this lie was implied. But still a lie and a deliberate slur against people of faith.

 

I am just rereading the Gulag Archipelago. I read it in College, but at the time could not really relate to the reality of a Soviet style State ever happening in the US. Now I see how it happened in the Soviet Union and how it could easily happen here.

 

Right. And the Bible doesn't teach those things either. Jesus and the Bible didn't advocate Protestants being persecuted in England either. But they were which lead them to take great risks to find freedom to read and believe the Bible.

Church, as taught by the Bible, is a spiritual family. Thats all. Its human sin that uses tools as means of totaltarianism....and those tools are use by irreligious as well.

 

Then why does the Bible treat women as second class citizens, beholden to the husband, but Jesus does not? At least not that I’m aware of. Why does the Bible talk about the destruction of homosexuals, though Jesus does not? Many passages of the Bible justify wars, but Jesus says to love thy enemy. You see what I’m getting at? Why are some teachings of Jesus included, but others removed? There are too many inconsistencies and contradictions, that make it sound like a work of man borrowing some words from a higher being, and then making up the rest as a good framework to keep people and society under control.

 

Avail yourself of current jurisprudence on the issue and you will not be forced to make such silly statements and ask such silly questions.

 

It's called Self Defense. Better judged by twelve than carried by six.


Kinda sorta like exceeding the speed limit to prevent an accident.
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And so, you have no honest way of knowing, or saying, that the gun ban had any effect on mass shootings.

Australians have regular access to any number of firearms that are perfectly able to kill a lot of people in a short period of time.
So, again:
Why can't you wake to the news of a mass shooting in some Aussie city tomorrow morning?

Pity.

You have no idea what you're talking about.
This shooter could have perpetrated this crime with a pump-action shotgun - in fact, all but one of the mass shootings in the US committed with an 'assault weaoon' could have been equally perpetrated with a pump-action shotgun.
Pump-action shotguns are readily available in Australia.
So, again:
Why can't you wake to the news of a mass shooting in some Aussie city tomorrow morning?

 

I do not. I know better, as I have shown.

 

Mass shootings are just one inevitable bi-product of gun control laws.

 

"Across that same time, 15 AR15s were use to kill 256 people in mass shootings." TOG 6
There is a difference between total deaths in 1 year by many shooters and the number of deaths usually exceeding 5 or more by one shooter which is why it's called mass shootings.

 

Mass shooters seem to prefer rifles and hand guns to shotguns for some reason, but shot guns, even the legal 12 gauge versions, are far more deadly at close range. Shot guns were not called "street sweepers" for nothing.

 

This is no way translates to the claim that AR15s are the weapons of choice for mass shootings.

 

Really because 256 dead divided by 15 AR-15 shooters comes to 17 dead per shooting. That's the very definition of a mass shooting.