Derek Chauvin Murder Trial is on

Yes you can as the defence is going to undoubtedly show when they demonstrate it in the courtroom. It's a legal technique trained by the MPD. Floyd had so much drugs in his system he died from an overdose as indeed he nearly did several months earlier.

The maximum penalty for manslaughter in Minnesota is 15 years, with good behaviour Chauvin could be out in 5 and there's no reason at all to deny him early parole. He also has significant grounds to appeal.

 

Floyd was begging for mercy and Officer Chauvin did not give any mercy. Any average police officer would have the compassion to give some mercy. Would that be the right thing to do? I would think so.

 

Why do you keep pushing misinformation about OD, heat attack and "legal technique"? It has now been clarified by a number of senior folks from MPD, that what Chauvin did is NOT what they teach. Any such maneuver must stop as soon as the suspect is subdued, but Chauvin kept the pressure on for a very long time, and even 3 minutes after the suspects heart had stopped.

Why are you so invested in pushing information that has already been proven false?

This quy is going down for manslaughter. Anything less would be a big surprise.

 

That would be the jury. Juries have the power of jury nullification. What that means is that they have the power to rule as they see fit and it does not necessarily have to do the facts and the law. And that works both ways. So yes, let's hope they get it right.

I mean give him a fair trial in accordance with all rights protected by the Constitution, period.

 

I do not know about that, but you guys fiercely promoting racial war.
You know the facts, I hope.
1. Floyd fought with police officers before they put him on the ground.
2. Chauvin did not choke Floyd with his knee.
3. Floyd has died during the fight with police.

Why you are trying to deny facts and spin it in such a way that white police officer personally killed innocent black man
even thought they are well documented?
What is a purpose of racial war, who is going to benefit?

 

But Chauvin did not choke Floyd, Floyd has died during an altercation with the police.
Since he had elevated level of drugs in his blood and weak heart (which is typical for many illegal drug consumers) it is possible that his heart could not keep up with cardiac load.
That is it, that is whole story.
Yes, sure police could have let him go, if THEY KNEW about his health issues, but no one can predict the future.

Racial war mongers on the other hand presenting that event as purposeful killing of innocent black man by white police officer.

 

There is no such fact. There have been 4 or 5 cops who took the stand. His previous boss, the chief himself, the person who trains cops... all point their finger at Chauvin, with failing to provide the care a person in custody should get. They are trained to give it, and they simply did not and let him die since they were busy with their use of force. And that use of force was completely out of line of their policies.

 

And if he is not guilty? Would that be a fair outcome?

 

It's not relevant of what happened before. A cop can't shoot a person through the head after they disarmed the criminal because of what happened previously. Multiple cops took the stand and said their thing that Chauvin failed to comply to any kind of standard.

Of course he did. He kneeled on his artery in his neck cutting of the blood flow to his brain. A person who took the stand testified over it.

Chauvin had his hands in his pockets when he lynched Floyd..

You only bring up a fake reality.

 

This is a massive problem for Chauvin who was responsible for the well-being of the man in his custody, but he would not reduce the pressure even after he was told the suspect no longer has a pulse. This is textbook manslaughter. I can see you are working hard to blame the victim, but I doubt the jury will buy it.

You see it as "white man under attack", and rush to his defense but some of us can simply look at what happened, and what should happen now that evidence is on the table.

 

I think you mean if he is found not guilty by the jury. There is a difference. Just because a jury finds the accused guilty or not guilty doesn't mean the verdict is correct. Remember the point I made about jury nullification. What's fair is that the accused is granted all the due process protections in accordance with the Constitution, no matter who the accused is or what the charges are. Whether the outcome is fair or correct is always arguable. What happens in a courtroom, fair or not does not always reflect reality in terms of the charges in question.

 

The further this goes the more we actually find out. I saw the first video along with everyone else when it first took place. The officer had a knee on Floyd's neck and killed him. Then I saw some other videos of the earlier time frame and how they got on the street beside that car and started to rethink where blame fell. Now I have seen the video from a body cam from a slightly different angle at which point the knee was pressing the top of the shoulder near the neck but not on the neck. I heard Floyd was struggling but didn't understand what that meant and then saw how he was able to raise his head and shoulder even with the officer holding him down. It was a struggle start to end, Floyd never stopped struggling till he passed out but the struggle was not confined to the 9 minute video we all find so horrifying.

I'm glad I'm not on that jury.

 

It makes me sick to see this again and again. Floyd showing his face for mercy.

 

no. you quite demonstrably can not. It's illegal.
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No it isn't. No precinct in the country teaches you to kneel on a handcuffed, unarmed and surrounded suspect who is laying face down on the pavement for over 7 minutes.

not according to the autopsy

he will be going to prison for no less than 20 years. He will be convicted of murder 3. He has no grounds for appeal.

 

No it was not from a different angle, it was from a different moment in time. Chauvin moved his knee from Floyd's neck to Floyd's shoulder just as the ambulance arrived which is very significant.

 

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I guess you've learned the technique and used it before. I have. I'll wait until you attend the class and can report back on how it works.

He fired chauvin because they were settling a civil suit. I'm not sure why you're struggling with that.

There are so many terms you're using incorrectly I can't see where to start.

 

I can start by saying that I'm 100% willing to call a bad officer just that, whenever that's the case. Your first lined assertion has some real problems, because what you're stating violate the "fruits of the forbidden tree" part of the law. If it's found that probable cause did not exist for an action taken by police, it is inadmissible in court.

There are thousands of hours not showing all of the times the police deal with people respectfully and everyone goes about their day like normal. What you see a lot of is people baiting the police into something so they can make a video out of it. When you see some idiot acting belligerent for the sake of being an a**, I really lose interest in their well being. If an officer is behaving improperly they should be reviewed by a supervisor.

Asset forfeiture is theft is you ask me.

 

I do not see as "white man under attack", I see it as a racial war, sponsored by politicians.
I live in racially diverse neighborhood, and I do not want to blamed for someone's manslaughter.

 

So he moved his knee enough that is good admission.
And he did no choke Floyd.

 

But that is BS.
Chauvin could not see his face the way you see it.
Again this is just a propaganda to pit black people against white people.

 

In war someone is always under attack. So, if its not the white man, then who is it? The white man is on trial, and if you dont think he is under attack, then why do you bend over backwards to defend him?

 

Those are emotions that are not justified.

No one can follow strictly standards during the fight.
There is no guideline how to immobilize head correctly.

That thing with artery is total BS, that came up after that choke theory have failed.
Chauvin could not access to Floyd's artery from behind.

 

Yes the white man is persecuted as a scapegoat, to enrage black people, even though four policemen of different races were involved.

 

Non sequitur, this isn't about you, what you've allegedly done or didn't do. Nor is it about me or what you think I should do or not. You're off topic and in violation of the rules of this forum.

Having said that and with respect to this topic, there no "technique" taught anywhere in the US that trains police to place a knee on anyone's neck who is handcuffed face down until that person dies or even short of that. There has been no testimony by any expert so far that supports that such a "technique" is used in training and all the testimony rendered by every single expert so far claims no such technique is ever taught to any police and is in contradiction of all proper safety protocols. Your claims with regard to police training have no basis in fact or reality. Why you insist on contradicting multiple experts makes no sense unless you have some kind of agenda.

I'm not "struggling" with anything, the record is clear and speaks for itself.

Non sequitur, off topic and in violation of the rules of this forum.

 

Because in this country, police do the bidding of people in power. In a less democratic society, police support for those in power is more problematic and there are instances where police side with people against government. Here, we change those in power before police are pushed by events to change sides.

Workers are coopted by the institution they work for. No surprise there.

They know better and trying to escape responsibility and retribution from their employer.

Disagree. We have police enforcing laws made by the majority that serve their interests and oppress subgroups. It corrupts the police and makes them the enemy of those they oppress on behalf of those in power. Laws against abortion and the "war in drugs" come to mind.