Russian Tanks Cross Border Into Ukraine

And this is why people need to quit being short-sighted and quit believing the fake news propaganda spewed daily at the direction of political war mongers.

Would it be in our best interests to align with a capitalistic free Russia against commie China or let them work a deal against us?

 

Russia not into...border making....not yet.

Whats asiatic Russia going to do to Nato?

Liberate Warsaw and Prague...I hear East Germany is all in .....?

 

Sure, I accept your points, just not your conclusions.
We also have a hand in the precursor chemicals used to make narcotics.
And we helped with the high tech equipment that Mexican cartels use.
And our gun manufacturers have done their bit.
Doesn't mean we support the drug trade.
Same with the nations you mentioned.

 

This is funny. The eastern part of Germany today is actually the most 'right-wing' part of Germany. That's ironic, since it was the old GDR that had a communist government.

Today, the 'East' is where you find a much heavier concentration of AfD membership -- which is about as 'right' as 'right-wing' gets in Deutschland. The funny thing is how much the AfD people despise the "Greens" and the other so-called "Gutmenschen" radical-Left over there.

. "Just wait 'till we join forces with the Russians! We won't screw it up next time!"

 

that was a terrible analogy - to a very good post. The conclusion is that Russia is not Nation building - and havn't been in that game for a long time .. only defending strategic interests .. when absolutely required.. and that includes Crimea.

Did you seriously think Russia was going to give up a strategic port it had held for 400 years ? - Well .. maybe you did who knows .. but the leaders of Nato sure knew they were poking the Bear - yet again - this time a little too far .. and the Bear protected its interest.

Russia is playing a game of chess - just like everyone else - but, unlike the US - Russia realized long ago that military was not the strongest piece on the board .. and they have been doing just enough to keep us spending like idiots - on stuff that is obsolete the day it comes off the production line....for wars that don't exist . and will not exist..

Russia is playing the economic game - and doing a fine job .. much better than we of late .. strengthening economic ties to China and India .. who needs the US ..just with those to .. Syria - Iran - Iraq will be rebuilt by Russia/China - not the US .. We are out in the ME .. Turkey ? buying Russian S-400 System .. say no more

Venezuela - Russia China - Brazil is the B in BRIC - but wait - don't forget the EU -

We are making big blunders on the geopolitical chessboard - in the name of "Russia - Russia - Russia" .. the boogieman ..

 

I read that the fist thing mentioned in General Montgomery's manual is: "Never attack Russia."




Unlike some others in our sphere,
to me Russia is: 'Mother Dear'.

So if you try to break her heart
and vilely try to grab a part,

through devious means with lies and guile
which as we know is your style.

Then also know you'll suffer ill
and find it a very bitter pill.

As others have who came before
and didn't know what was in store

for them - Jeannette

 

re obsolescence - I am flat out amazed there is a new version of the F15 fight plane coming out.
This was designed during the 1960's. And have a look at the B52 - it will fly for a 100 years. During
WWI there was a new killer plane EVERY YEAR.
Many nations were under the yoke of Moscow after WWII - they took the opportunity to join NATO
and/or the EU as soon as they could. Is this 'poking the bear' or is it 'giving nations the rights' ???
Crimea is a case where a nation 'takes back' what it considers its territory - there would be 200
nations with similar ambitions today. Most of the world's borders are set in blood. The difference
here was that in the new world order we ACCEPT THE BORDERS AS WE FIND THEM. So
no, Russia can't just slice up or seize Poland or Finland because of its former empire. And China
just can't take the Sth China Sea because the Emperor drew a nine dashed line through the area.

 

What on earth would Russia need with Poland or Finland ? - they have 140 million people living on a huge track of land - resource rich -

Joining nato was not the problem .. Russia left some 14 nations - willingly as Russia moved its military out .. Nato moved in - and then got provakative..

How about Russia put a bunch of Anti Ballistic Missiles on our Borders - further destabilizing nuclear detente as we did forcing Russia to take counter measures .. which they did .. escalating the arms race.

Now we are even less safe - by a few factors - this technology being developed by other nations with nukes ..

Trash the necessary illusion - because that is what it is ... Russia is a tool for your deception. "Russiagate"

 

Uh huh....sure....I doubt that pic of Hans Tragarsky....SS panzer was it....somewhere in the Ardenne...Battle of the Bulge, would agree to saddling up with the Russkis. Nice try though.

 

So Russia has plenty of land (and its people so poor!) but talks about 'Russian minorities' in East European
nations that need 'protecting.' So big that Russia seized the Crimea and nibbles away Georgia. Why can't
Russia leave well enough alone and get along with the West? Because of its generals and Military Industrial
Complex.
Kind of worry about Russia 'helping' Russians emigres in Australia.

 

I’m sure there are people reading this that don’t even realize that Poland borders Russia and the US planted Anti Ballistic Missiles in Poland.

I remember this one time the Soviet Union was thinking of putting missiles in Cuba and we almost had WW3.

Just imagine if Russia put missiles in Canada. Then maybe the hypocrites would figure out what the problem is with sticking your noses (and military) where they don’t belong.

 

And yet we accepted Ukraine invading and taking over an independent Crimea in the 1990's, and we supported the Croatians and Bosnians to slice up Yugoslavia. We then supported the KLA terrorists in Kosovo to slice up Serbia and even bombed Belgrade for 78 days on false premises because they wouldn't agree.

For the past 10 years we have been trying to slice up Syria by supporting terrorists and ignoring the ongoing genocide of Christians to overthrow its legally elected president. We have been holding on to Syria's oil rich lands east of the Euphrates so we could form a nation for the Kurds who were never indigenous to the area.

At the same time we're denying the Syrian people the profits from their oil as punishment since they're not overthrowing Assad and allowing their country to be sliced up.

Now what was it you said about accepting borders as we find them?

Fight and strife is my name
and chaos is my game.

I gear them all to kill and maim
and then covertly flip the blame
to you.

So even though I am insane,
and only think of my own gain,

there is no shame,
it's in your name

and there's nothing you can do. - Jeannette


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@Poohbear that’s called dropping the mic.

Good ol Bill and Hillary Clinton with a touch of Obama foreign policy.

All in part under the auspices of ethic genocide. They flat out framed Slobodon Milosevic. The man was found innocent, twice!

The only war criminals in Serbia was Bill Clinton and NATO.

Now we have actual genocide being perpetrated by the Ukrainian government and the war mongers want NATO to join in as well as the naive US citizens that continue to believe whatever they are told by our very very corrupt government.

 

YOU MEAN TO SAY THEY CAUGHT CLINTON, RED HANDED, SHOOTING MUSLIM MEN
IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD?
Wow. Got any photos?

 

Bill Clinton entered the Serbian civil war illegally in support of the KLA terrorists, and under the false premise that there was a genocide of Albanians by the Serbs when there was no genocide. He then bombed Belgrade for 78 days killing thousands merely for opposing the slicing of Kosovo from Serbia. Miloshevik was demonized and before he could go to trial to prove his innocence, he died in jail.

Miloshevik complained that they were killing him, and after his death his wife had an autopsy and it proved that his heart medication was being blocked. Later on at someone else's trial Miloshevik was proven innocent.

It was our entrance into Serbia's civil war that made Russia realize that we were a rogue state and began building up its military.

 

So. WHO was killing all those Muslim civilians?
And no, not the World Health Org.... !!!!!
And can you prove Miloshevik had his medication stopped? I would have thought that in dying
he would be like Himmler in 1945 - cheating the hangman.

 

You have this state sponsored propaganda perspective that does not reflect reality - and you seem near immune to correction.

Are you suggesting that the Russian Ukrainians should just leave their lives in Ukraine go back to Russia. Should the Jewish Ukrainians go to Israel ? The French Canadians that want to separate go back to France - and so on - what an ill thought out comment.

The Muslims living in "Serbia -Kosovo" should have been sent to Albania rather than annex Kosovo - and so on.

You were just given the reason why Russia would not give up Crimea - in the post you are responding to- now go and learn.

 

It is "Do as we say - not as we do" foreign policy. Can you imagine the wails and cries - akin to a woman in childbirth - that would be heard round the world if Russia was to put ABM's on US borders ..

Thing is - we used to be able to get away with this back in the day when US was the only economic game in town. Everyone wanted to play and so all we needed do was to "whisper" our desires into ear of some nation and they would come running to submit ... and few said boo about our hypocrisy.

Times have changed - but our leaders are still assessing the geopolitical chessboard from the "good ol days" perspective- and making massive blunders on the basis of this flawed assessment of our position. .

 

Kosovo/Yugoslavia was a joy ride compared to Syria - where Obama Led a large coalition of nations in an effort to arm, support and supply a radical Islamist Proxy army led by Al Qaeda and affiliates - an action which resulted in 500,000 dead -massive war crimes and crimes against humanity - rape, forced marriage, genocide - refugee crisis and so on.

Syria was turned into a Jihadist wonderland - along with Libya and Yemen. Yemen for which were are being accused by the ICC of complicity in war crimes/crimes against humanity .. Just wait till they get to Syria.

 

Nevertheless, think what it MIGHT have meant for Germany and Russia both if, instead of Hitler stupidly wrecking the German-Soviet Nonaggression Pact of 1939, both countries had simply divided Poland between them and 'had a nice day'...? THAT was the point, but I admire your curiosity.

Sideline: Old Hans was quite a survivor, actually making it all the way to 2011, according to my own one-click research.

Now, then, back to Ukraine... so, is ol' Joe gonna start his own "Vietnam" there? Lyndon Johnson was the 'master' of that process, as Joe would easily remember -- since Biden got numerous 'deferments' to avoid ever having to serve in the U. S. military during Johnson's unmitigated Vietnam catastrophe!
Ah, but ol' Joe's "in the Army now...", and he's the Commander-in-Chief! . Let's hope he considers his options carefully before he makes a total ASS out of himself like Obama did with that "Red Line" thing he tried to pull in Syria....

 

And the Ukrainian military continues firing on civilians. Sniping babushkas is not cool. I don’t want my tax dollars spent supporting Ukraine’s neo nazi oligarchs (that are currently pulling the strings in Kiev).

 

The only Muslims killed in Kosovo, were the ones killed in retaliation to Clinton's bombing of Belgrade. There was no genocide - and it freaked out Albright when she couldn't find bodies to substantiate her claims of genocide. It was all a ruse by Bill Clinton and his propaganda network CNN.

Clinton at first hesitated since the Serbs were always our allies, and had suffered genocide by the Nazi Croatians in WWII. But he was speaking to Kohl every morning and became influenced by him to break up Yugoslavia. So instead of being against the Albanian KLA terrorists for ethnically cleansing Kosovo by killing Serbs and selling their body parts, he spun it and made the Serbs the perpetrators who were killing Albanians.

Germany always had an affinity towards its former allies Croatia and Bosnia, and a hatred towards the Serbs for helping them lose the war. The French General confirms it in the video below. Germany punishment towards Serbia for WWII, was to give some of its lands to the Bosnian Muslims and Croatians, and to throw a half a million Serbs into refugee camps.

 

Well....im not going to think what "might have been"....because it wasn't and would very had no chance of happening anyways.

The pic so called comparison was kinda lame ...afaic.

What "Vietnam" are you talking about? The only Vietnam scenario is what the Russkis created....and as you can see they're stuck in a quagmire in DPR.....mainly because there's little to no support for some Ruskomira or Novorussia.....

 

Looks like a private video....no supporting links....could've have even been taken a few years back. This could even be Russki forces embedded amongst civilian population doing the firing....(which isn't uncommon for them to do).

 

Or maybe you just make a lot of excuses.

I’ll keep a look out for the video I posted earlier of 5-6 dead bodies in cars and on the ground after being hit by a large mortar/shrapnel right in front of the Hotel Europe in Donetsk. I suspect it was censored by google.

What kind of ignorant asses fire upon a civilian hotel? Apparent neo nazi Ukrainian military does