When Chauvin is acquitted...

But his facts are right and yours are not and you know it! LOL

 

It seems there has been a shift in American culture. Has there not? The old way of thinking is no longer socially acceptable. The old way of acting is no longer tolerated. Welcome to the new reality, where bad cops are held accountable. And you know I’m right. In your heart of hearts you know the gig is up. From Harvey Weinstein to Derek Chauvin, this is a whole new world.

 

Plus the fact that they had Floyd in the back seat of the police SUV. All they had to do was close the door and he would have been caged. They went the extra step of dragging him out of the vehicle, on to the ground, and then two of them knelt on his neck, back, and side, while a third held his feet, as a forth stood guard to prevent interference.

 

Why do you claim the cops dragged him out of the car? For what purpose do you remove a criminal from the car until at the police station?

 

You better ask Chauvin why he did that and why he even opened the opposite door

 

Chauvin had to correct the position Floyd put himself in. Floyd refused to set down and was slithering in the rear of the cop car. Cop cars are not designed to allow a man of Floyd's height to lay down on the seat. Floyd kicked himself out of the cop car. Chauvin was trying to stop him at first.

 

Because they did

You'll have to ask Chauvin and his fellow officers

 

Did Chauvin say why he had to correct Floyd's position?

 

So you and these "good" cops want total freedom and no accountability/responsibility for police actions ?

Then they are NOT "good" cops.

 

Since I never said that, you are making stuff up.

 

For once, quit being driven by your political ideology and consider the facts. I don't know of any conservative who would oppose justice if the evidence showed Chauvin to be accountable. By thas- I mean appropriate justice.

Homicide requires intent to kill. Now you didn't just get off the cabbage truck this morning-ask yourself what experienced cop is going to kill a black man in front of black witness, slowly, intentionally, on camera??
Not a snowballs chance in hell. IF Chauvin actually had malicious intent, he would know how to do that without witnesses.
The most Chauvin "might" be accountable for is insufficient verification of the suspect's condition. He cannot be held responsible for the degree of bad health or drugs that enter into the death, he had no way of knowing most of that and every reason to believe Floyd was high as a kite on drugs. His drug dealer was actually in the car with him when police arrived. He tried to eat more drugs in his possession in the back of a patrol car so they wouldn't be found on him.

Cops must deal with trash- dangerous, uncooperative and unpredictable people everyday. If a cop is careless for even a moment, he may well be a dead cop. IF Floyd had not committed a crime, the cops wouldn't have been there. IF he had not been seriously drugged out, the physical aspects of this situation would not have happened; he could have simply done as he was asked to do. Floyd put himself at risk- nobody was hunting him, preying on him, only trying to arrest a criminal who brought the situation on himself, and failed to cooperate with police after it began.

Whatever Chauvin did wrong that may have contributed, Floyd did 100 times more to put himself at risk. HE made those choices. HIS choices also wound up costing Minneapolis untold millions of dollars, because- the level of trash that thinks blacks should be exempt from arrest and prosecution is high, and they are being given support by people like you. Floyd was NOT under arrest for being black, he was under arrest for committing a crime- and that had happened to him many, many times before. George Floyd killed George Floyd.

 

Derek Chauvin.

 

And the cross exam?

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
So you and these "good" cops want total freedom and no accountability/responsibility for police actions ?

Then they are NOT "good" cops.

See the little squiggly thing I put at the end of my first sentence in the post you quoted.....it is now highlighted in red...it is called a question mark...meaning it is asking a question..

From your posts I gathered that you didn't think Chauvin , nor any police officer, should be questioned or second guessed.....that would indicate you don't want them questioned or second guessed but that they should have free reign to do as they please.....a very scary idea..

 

Nor are they True Scotsmen, but some of them still kill people

 

He's projecting again

 

You, as usual, are gathering wrong.

 

LOL... "noting" is a word, probably not the one you intended, so, that is what we have to believe is "correct" in your mind? The fact that the police did train their staff in Minneapolis to use the restraint was admitted in court, was demonstrated that the officers involved had attended and passed the training, and yet, you stating as fact that it was illegal, well.... that's a hoot. Comedy gold as it were... Thanks for the laughs.

 

actually, as both the police chief and the trainer told you in court, the technique Chauvin used is not an approved technique, nor is it an approved technique in any police department anywhere in the US.

 

It's amazing that they choose to ignore what the chief and trainer testified under oath.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
From your posts I gathered that you didn't think Chauvin , nor any police officer, should be questioned or second guessed.....that would indicate you don't want them questioned or second guessed but that they should have free reign to do as they please.....a very scary idea..

...and you can't clarify your statements ?


How much freedom do you want the police to have?

 

? Can you explain ?

 

The right wing reaction is entirely cultural.

 

I have seen the videos. I have listened to the witnesses. It is a little difficult to believe another narrative coming out of the Right, considering the track record and all.

 

What is unclear about what I have written?

You and numerous others have declared Chauvin guilty. You have heard little of the defense argument. He is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

Most of the witnesses are not expert witnesses and I have some serious doubts about some of the expert witnesses. The latest expert witness being quoted says that drugs could not have caused Floyd's death. Yet, Floyd repeatedly said he could not breath before he was put on the ground and another doctor testified that the drugs Floyd used could cause asphyxia.

The claim is that method of restraint that Chauvin used was not approved. It was shown in a training manual. The claim is that it was not used properly. If that is the case, that indicates a lack of proper training which throws the blame back on the police department itself and those supervisors who denied that was an approved method of restraint.

I have serious concerns about the attitude towards law enforcement. Too many are claiming they want justice. I doubt that they will accept justice unless the justice puts Chauvin away for life.

All too frequently what should be a routine arrest ends up in disaster after the suspect resists and they immediately blame law enforcement. I see this and law enforcement sees this and it concerns them. I attended a graduation for advanced law enforcement a year or so ago. It was a topic of discussion at the gathering after the graduation. Good law enforcement officers are leaving the force early.