Derek Chauvin Murder Trial is on

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  1. Bob0627

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    The facts show that it was Chauvin who chose several terrible options that day. Chauvin is the one on trial and being charged with murdering Floyd because it was Chauvin who chose several terrible options. Floyd is not on trial for choosing several terrible options.
     
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    Tachycardia arrest is not a Cardiopulmonary arrest and drugged induced fear elevates a users heart beat .

    If a person suffers from heart problems they have increased risk of heart failure due to elevated heart rate .

    If a person is on drugs they have irregular heart beats due to rushes which are bio-electrical stimulus of the body .

    The brain can interpret this bio-electrical stimulus as good or bad .

    This is also a reason why some people with heart problems are advised against extreme sports such as parachuting !
     
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    A crowd quickly gathers , you have a suspect in custody , people are pointing things at you , what would you do ?

    A man dies in ''your arms'' , you ''feel'' his death , how shocked would you feel ?
     
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    The system may function better in small towns, but 20% of of the people incarcerated around the world are being held in America. I think that amounts to an epic fail.
     
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    Tachycardia is simply a rapid heart beat due to a heart rhythm disorder. There is no such term as "tachycardia arrest" and the two words are contradictory, what are you talking about?

    The above, if applicable to Floyd, are contributory factors at most, none are the substantive causal factor in Floyd's death, which is the heart of the murder charge(s).
     
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    There's no sense discussing this with you if you're going to ignore testimony.
     
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    Chauvin wouldn't have even been there if Floyd hadn't started his ill fated chain of events.
     
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    Chauvin defenders around here had so hoped the ME wouldn't say the basic cause of death was Floyd's low oxygen levels. But for Chauvin's continued use of force against policy and reason, George Floyd would have remained alive. The prosecution witnesses all agree.
     
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    So what? Chauvin acted outside of policy and training, and by the prosecution narrative, against reason. Did he cause George Floyd's death in violation of the law? The other stuff doesn't matter.
     
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    I don't care what she told them, she had her facts wrong, her observations were factually wrong. And as SHE testified the police do NOT let medical response take over until the scene is secured and the arriving paramedics did not believe it was and did not begin resuscitation efforts until they had loaded him and into the ambulance and then they stopped several blocks away.
     
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    Floyd didn't start any "ill fated chain of events". Floyd is not responsible for his own murder, Chauvin is still the one on trial being charged with murdering Floyd. The tactic of the defense and Chauvin apologists all have one common theme, to turn the event into the trial of Floyd.
     
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    The citizens bear most of that responsibility, IMO. How hard it is to not commit violence against your fellow man and to not deal drugs? First time simple drug users are not incarcerated.

    There are many Mexicans and Central Americans who belong in prison in their countries, but way too many murders go unsolved in those places,and so more murderers are running wild. Are their lower rates of incarceration good or bad?
     
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    There was no call to the police from the convenience store?
     
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    Resisting arrest is never irrelevant in a killing by a police officer. He wasn't arresting Mother Theresa.
     
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    No, based on what I have seen and heard in the trial I don't think he did.
     
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    If I remember correctly one of the Drs. counted his respiration rate and found it to be around 66 per minute. So it's gonna be hard to blame it on the Drugs.
     
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    Dies in your arms? You mean under your knee.
    He didn't seem to feel anything when his partner said there was no pulse. He just leaned on him for another 3 minutes.
     
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    Whatever, the cause of death was not asphyxiation.
     
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    If you noticed , in your arms was within '''' parameters which means not exact . People sometimes use this to elaborate a point being made .

    People in general can stereotypical be biased , not considering the other point of view . The deceased could of died independent of the defendants actions . The defendant could of gone into shock when his partner said there was no pulse .

    Judgement without reflective consideration is not fare judgement !
     
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    We have over 2 million incarcerated in a country where 50% of the murders in our urban hell holes never result in an arrest.

    WASHINGTON POST, Out of 54,868 homicides in 55 cities over the past decade,
    50 percent did not result in
    an arrest., By Steven Rich, Ted Mellnik, Kimbriell Kelly and Wesley Lowery. Design and development by Leslie Shapiro. Graphics by Lauren Tierney and Leslie Shapiro. Editing by David Fallis and Kaeti Hinck. Produced by Julie Vitkovskaya. Additional reporting by Julie Tate, Jennifer Jenkins, Kristian Hernandez, Matt Bernardini, Mitra Malek, Samuel Northrop, Justine Coleman and Casey Smith., July 24, 2018.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/investigations/unsolved-homicide-database/
     
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    None of that changes the fact that:

    Did you expect a different reality?

    It was cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression

    Manner of death: Homicide

    According to the Hennepin County Medical Examiner and in concurrence with the forensic pathologist.

    According to Dr. Martin Tobin's testimony, Floyd died of oxygen deprivation (i.e. asphyxia) caused by the actions/inactions of Chauvin.

    According to Dr. Bradford Langenfeld's testimony, the EM doctor who treated Floyd, Floyd died of oxygen deprivation (i.e. asphyxia).

    I have no reason or any standing to dispute any of the above and none of these conclusions have been successfully challenged by anyone thus far. So why are you contradicting these expert witnesses?

    BTW, in case you haven't figured it out yet, all deaths include cardiopulmonary arrest.
     
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    Not me. The ME is contradicting these expert witnesses.
     
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    Her expressed concern for Floyd's wellbeing is important support for sustaining a manslaughter charge.
    Relevance of this?
     
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    You appear to have some of your basic facts wrong.
     
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    Appearances can be deceiving.
     

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