Minnesota police shoot, kill man after traffic stop incident

Or an air freshener dangling from his rear view mirror....

 

Please, tell us.

 

Or...you could do like George Floyd.....
cooperate and let the poor cops relax and kneel on your neck for awhile.
Or just let the cops haul you away in the police van and hope you don't end up like Freddy Gray.
Or just follow police instructions like this guy did....
Black Man Shot By White Cop After Reaching For His Wallet To Get License Awarded $285,000
https://bossip.com/1099448/pay-up-p...let-to-get-license-reaches-285000-settlement/

Or how about this guy.....
“He was reaching for his wallet and the officer just shot him in his arm,” she says. “He shot his arm off.”
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/falcon-heights-shooting_n_577dd795e4b0c590f7e8058f

 

It’s a ***** sport champ. Boxing is the manly art of self defense. Back in the ‘70s I was a pretty good middle weight boxer. I can’t count how many of these Kung fu sissies I cold cocked back in the day. I was taught from an early age that kicking, biting, hair pulling and grappling were traits of girlie fighters.

 

She made a terrible mistake. That is not an excuse, it is an observation. It may be taken as political by those so disposed, but it is merely a fact. This is the danger of having armed people patrolling where violence occurs. If society were successful, police would not be necessary. As they are, society shows it isn't doing its job.
It is impossible to imagine that anyone educated and rational would have tried to break away from the police, in that situation and context, in the way the man did. That, too, is an observation. Note the neutrality of all the terminology in the sentence.

 

Now running away from confrontation is considered violence.....Strange world you live in...Especially the part about laying a guilt trip on the dead man for making her feel bad about killing him....ROFL

 

What exactly is an outstanding weapon? German Luger? Glock 9? Is there any evidence of this guy “fighting” the police broad? Looks to me like he bolted, she got pissed and killed him....

 

Right. Possessing a firearm w/o a license was the, "firearms charge," which is a misdemeanor.

I think that 1) you are over-generalizing; that is, sometimes, obviously, the citizen has a bad attitude. But there absolutely are times when it is the officer(s) who brings the unnecessarily-aggressive attitude to the encounter. You lose credibility as an objective commenter, by assuming its always the arrestee's fault that things escalate. I realize you are going by your own, personal experience; & naturally, you would be inclined to always see your own actions as appropriate. Even assuming that, in your own case, this was true, that in no way proves anything about encounters with which you have no involvement. And based on our discussion in the thread about Derrick Chauvin, in which you saw HIS behavior as appropriate, I have to conclude that you are unable to appraise police encounters from an impartial citizen's perspective (that is, not a citizen who backs police action in all cases, no matter what, nor one who condemns the use of force, by police, in all instances).
2) Because of events like the one with George Floyd, your assurance, that, if suspects just complied with police requests, to the letter, they'd all be fine, also lacks credibility. First, there have been instances in which black citizens have been fully compliant, & yet been victims of violence, at the hands of police, as because of mistaken assumptions by officers, or whatever. I recall a case of a boy with Asperger's whose mother called police just to help her get him in the house, who she clearly told them was not a threat, only not easily cooperative. Police ended up shooting & killing him, without even having come in physical contact with him. I think the excuse was that they thought that something he was holding, was a gun; he was shot in the back, running away.

Second, even when there is some resistance, as in Floyd's case, or in the case of the pre-teen girl who was recently shot for wanting to see her father before getting in the police car, this is no way justifies the extreme, non-commensurate degree of escalation, on the part of police. This is part of the problem that you ignore: some police believing that, given any excuse, they then have full license for any reaction, including the use of deadly force.

And thirdly, surely police are taught, in their training, that in their dealings with the public, they will encounter people who will not be 100% compliant, who will try to talk themselves out of trouble, who will be disrespectful, etc. If you're telling me that the instruction, for such circumstances, is that this gives police a free pass to f*** with the suspect however the cop wants to, I'm going to say that's a problem. But I'm pretty sure that's NOT what cadets are taught but, rather, the need for some diplomacy with members of the community, even those who are not being as cooperative as they might.

So while, granted, this guy seems not to have had cause to have tried to escape arrest, that is in no way an EXCUSE for what happened to him. You are putting too much responsibility (i.e., all of it) on the public, it seems to me, despite your claims of even-handedness, & too little responsibility on police, to keep a cool head.

I understand that it is a difficult (& important) job, but that is no rationale to not hold police accountable for their behavior, when they do not act professionally. I would say the same thing about a doctor. I think, therefore, your most relevant, & valid, diagnosis is in the following two quotes of yours.

We agree there, about this particular, veteran officer. But I think this is true in a lot of cases in which I doubt you would concur, when the unqualified officer is not a woman, or a minority. (Chauvin, who had many prior complaints against him for being overly-violent, is a case in point).

And how much does it cost the city when it gets sued over the actions of these idiots? In their position, only an idiot wouldn't realize that an unqualified officer is a lawsuit, waiting to happen-- LET THEM SUE! Over & above the monetary cost, there is NO excuse for giving a badge to someone who is unworthy of it.

 

well, here's a tip from someone who sepnds a lot of time in mma schools. there's a reason why boxers, kung fu guys, and tae kwon do people don't last more than about 30 seconds in the ring; they're form is sh**. BJJ and muay thai and sambo and some sanshou guys make the best fighters.

sorry, tell me again how many boxers are in the UFC, or K1 (when we had it) or any other full contact mma winners there are? NONE. boxers get ruined, they have 6 strikes v 14 in muay thai. Wait, you're gonna want a vid aren't you? BTW, feel free to wander into a Gracie school and tell them how big their p****** are. They give you water and be super nice, no matter how the mats treats you.






In this day and age of information I'm stunned at some of the easily solvable things people argue about.


Anyway, the last words that dude heard were "duante don't run" and that's pretty special IMO.

 

As I have said before, I don't care what the circumstances are, you don't get to kill somebody and go ooopsie!

 

I'll start at the top. The weapons charge is a misdemeanor. That does not mean he gets to unarrest himself.

He has no right to flee, and the police have every obligation to take him into custody. It's still a weapons charge, so the officers have a reasonable expectation that he's armed.

I have no issues with being objective regarding police behavior. Chauvin used a techinique that is taught widely in the US, and I posted vids of multiple agencies using it. I posted training vids where 200+ lb guys posted a knee on the neck and shoulder with no damage. I have used it with no damage. Just because I feel that the raging idiot and home invasion enthusiast, floyd, caused his own demise by way of very poor health and an abundance of fent/meth does not mean I am not objective. We simply disagree on that one.

Yeah, cops have shot people in error. criminals have shot a lot of cops. People make mistakes, and the police tend to live on this side of the mistake line.

I am placing responsibility for this first on the idiot duante. He had warrants and refused to comply, this could have stopped right there. I do blame her for using the wrong tool.

Guess what? This will not go away. Not all the training in the world will make up for the fact that black people are 10X more likely to escalate a police situation, and are responsible for 81% of all violent crime (FBI stats). The fact that people who should NOT have that job have it is because we are not allowed to pick our hires on quality, the diversity bulls*** gets in the way. So we will continue to have people act a fool and we will have cops who got the job because of affirmative action and they'll screw up and we will pay for it. I cannot express how many people of all colors who got that job that I felt were unsafe/unworthy/unqualified. A lot of that is why I got my dog for a partner.

Buckle up, these things will never go away.

 

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HARDLY:
Just heard on the news the Murdering Officers resignation letter.
In it she says she LOVED EVERY MINUTE of her career......I take it she loved her last minutes on the force, too, where she killed a man....

NO remorse there....

Ya, Just a "mistake" on the part of a incompetent veteran police officer ...what the heck just an "OOOPS" moment as she acted as judge , jury and executioner...setting such a great example for the junior officers ...

 

The George Floyd tribe is getting $27,000,000 from Minne-EHH-polis, even though he was in the process of getting arrested for a federal counterfeiting crime.

I wonder what the lawyer's cut on that mountain of cash will be...?

 

This is a horrible situation where, unfortunately, all parties bear some level of responsibility in what happened. It is not wrong to say that had the deceased cooperated with the police, we would not even have this thread today. It is not wrong to say that this police officer made a horrific mistake that may result in yet to be determined consequences that go beyond her resignation.

For any of us to say all fault lies with one side or the other comes from some very shaded rose colored glasses!

For any of us to call what is going on in Minneapolis as peaceful protests or even acceptable in any way, well... weren't we always taught two wrongs don't make a right. I expect most of us were! If we weren't, the lines would have already been drawn and we would be in a civil war right now.

 

I am 67. My fighting days are over. I was taught as a young kid how to defend myself in a manly sportsmanlike way. I did alright. No knives, no guns, no kicking, no hitting a guy when he was down etc. Between the ages of 17-30, I cold cocked dozens of these karate sissies who had various belts and swell outfits and made funny sounds like Eddie Murphy in the movie, Trading places.....waaaaaaaaaaaa....Lol...

Boxing is “the sweet science” “the MANLY art of self defense” . John L Sullivan, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson, Rocky Marciano, Sonny Liston, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Larry Holmes, Roberto Duran, Carlos Monzon, Marvelous Marvin Hagler, Mike Tyson.....These are eternal American Sporting legends. 20 years from now, nobody will ever remember any of these cage fighters who kick, scratch, jump on a guy who is down and bite. It is not part of American Greatness, just a low life spectacle like reality TV.

 

You know....I don't like to speak in generalities but you proved me correct in my assumption. Resisting arrest is the single common denominator in most all of these shootings.
However, I did see the recent video of the Soldier who was black and in camo pulled over by that obese cop. He was pulled over because the cop didn't recognize his temporary license plate. He rudely told the soldier to "get out of the car now". When this man asked him why he was sprayed with mace several times through his window. Now I have no idea if this was racially motivated, but that cop deserved to have his butt kicked between his ears then kicked off the force while paying compensation to that man!

 

Boxing is an art. When it comes to street fighting or as you say "self defense"...it is not enough. You may see it as "manly". Karate to is an art.....it is not enough. I was involved for years in what was once called American Karate. We practiced a mixture of Tae Kwon do, Kenpo, Shotokan, Kung fu, Boxing, wrestling and Judo. It left out one thing....Ju Jitsu. Self defense is not a sport. It is about what works best to destroy the opposition in a combat situation. None of that works really well against a pistol.
I too am 67. In the few real fights I have ever been in, there was never a referee breaking up a clinch.

 

This post enraged me. You have no idea of the inner city, obviously. 9 out of 10 families are good hard working people who look for the children more than most suburban families.

 

and you really think you were the only family that cared for their young? What arrogance.
and guess what, you don't need to be dragged out. (it is preferable) Most do just fine.

Clearly our friction is caused by your broad brush as we both seem to agree that this martyr routine played by the minority is horseshit.
The differance is, I KNOW that MOST folks in the inner city are good people and they have a very hard life living among the scum.

BTW, I was in Baltimore a few days before the shut down last year. It is still god-awful.

 

You try and explain it.. I mean he had an arrest warrant for fleeing before ~

 

Yeah well... wrong thread. But the thing is: nobody can get lynched over 20 bucks of fake money. Floyd could just have been a victim of being paid with it. Hence the 27 million bucks.

 

My question was and still is, that culture you talk about didn't always exist.
Black communities thrived all across America from the early 1900s to perhaps 1940s or 50s?

Then the culture seems to have changed. And not just in a community, city, State. But across the entirety of America.
Almost all, if not all black communities went into the abyss.
It can't just be coincidence. There must have been a Nation wide change in some fashion to cause that many to collapse.

I am asking you as a black man of success, why you think there was this collapse of the black communities all across America.
You should have incite that the rest of us don't have.

The culture you speak of, is the result of that collapse. Is it not?