The "Great Unraveling" continues.

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I misread this post the first time - my bad for that. I share the Tulsi Rand - sentiment .. as I am anti war .. its also nice to see red and blue align on something.

    Other than being anti war - I am anti the fact that we spent 10 Trillion on 20 years .. doing what ? So in 2019 - the federal debt was roughly 21 Trillion - and we spent half of that doing what ? exactly.. chasing terrorists around ?

    I would give the standard narrative - which has changed over the years -why we were in Afghanistan for example - but that one is so long that we don't even discuss it .. other than repeating.. why are we there .. to which there is no good answer. . but we continue as if prior to us messing in the region - it was not 10 x better than when we began - going back to Rotten Ronnie - and our long term relationship with Brother El Saud - bestowing the blessing of Strict Sharia .. Saudi Style.

    Bin Ladin had 3 issues/motivations A) "Secularism" B) Secularism in the Holy Land .. the latter being far worse - such that while the western infidel is one thing - Secularism in a Muslim Nation/Land is "The Awful Horror - Abomination of Desolation" two terms from the NT .. C) Lashing out at the US.

    So what happens after 911 ? We turn Secular Iraq into a Strict Sharia wonderland .. Libya is also turned into strict sharia wonderland - dark age style - complete with the slave trade and so on.

    The major Secular nation in Syria - shining star on the hill really - among Muslim Nations in the Region .. Christians Muslims - and Jews living in relative harmony .. Christian Churches - Sharia forbidden in the Constitution - women drive cars - don't need a mans consent to be educated, wear proper bathing suites .. dancing and drinking alcohol in bars - Just don't speak out against the Gov't in general - (like China ?) and don't "speak out and be an Islamist" .. one who wants to force Sharia in others through physical violence (Law)

    Assad has Christian Generals in his army - 50% of regular forces are Sunni - who did not defect .. keep that in mind when you read the story about the defectors .. obviously Islamists .. join the cause . the "Holy War" to turn Syria into a strict Sharia wonderland.

    So if you want to find moderates in this war - fighting for Assad is where you find them - fighting to keep Syria from the Islamists - fighting for their rights and freedoms.

    After 911 we sent Assad a few prisoners for "Questioning" - Assad being one of the most well versed in knowing the difference between an Islamist - and a Moderate Muslim on the planet. having a large population of Nut Jobs in the nation he governs.

    This is not to say that Assad is a good fellow - and the people did not like him much - (until the war started and now he is hugely popular if the 95% win in the election has any validity .. not something I have checked into) - but they didn't want the Islamists to take over.

    Regardless - Bin Ladin could not be happier . By hijacking a few planes he brought the World Empire to its knees - "Liberty or Death" was turned into - a nation on its knees - begging to trade essential liberty for temporary security ... it became our "Patriotic Duty" to trade liberty for security .. Obama changing the name to the equally Orwellian doublespeak "Freedom Act" -

    A) and C) are thus fulfilled Attacking both the US and Secularism - reduce those freedoms - forcing secular beliefs on others through physical violence (Law) and B) turning Secular Muslim Nations into Strict Sharia Wonderland.

    10 years after 911 - we are arming supporting, supplying Islamist Jihadists of the El Saud ideology - Brother Saud now dictating our foreign policy ..

    This is not a conspiracy mate - this is business as usual - the natural outcropping of self interest and greed.






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  2. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I saw their purely speculative opinion before.
     
  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do you think it's acceptable for someone with obvious financial conflicts of interest to take a government job before he divests the investments in question? Did 4 years of the most corrupt admin in history cause you to forget about ethics normally adhered to by government employees? Everything about his appointment was suspect.
    https://www.npr.org/2020/08/20/9043...ter-generals-hiring-skirted-background-checks
     
  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A senior Trump Organization official has testified before a state grand jury in an ongoing criminal investigation into former President Donald Trump and his family business, according to multiple reports.

    ABC News first reported on Friday that the company’s controller Jeffrey McConney had testified before the grand jury. The New York Times confirmed that reporting, identifying McConney as a long-serving finance executive for the Trump Organization of more than three decades.

    The testimony from a high-ranking officer involved in overseeing the company’s finances, comes as prosecutors from Manhattan district attorney Cy Vance’s office have reportedly been trying to flip the company’s chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg and secure his cooperation in the probe.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-organization-controller-testifies-before-grand-jury
     
  5. Jack Hays

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    So . . . you believe The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists publishes unfounded speculation? I suspect yours is a minority view.
     
  6. garyd

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    Why? They said it hard to prove obstruction when you got ultimate cooperation. The only thing Trump didn't do was confess to a crime he didn't commit.
     
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  7. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unless they were able to get in to the minds of the scientists they criticized before offering their opinion it isn't my belief, it's a fact.
     
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    Half the population density, less than half the people and it began in the winter when people aren't going out a lot because if the weather.
     
  9. Jack Hays

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    The criticism was well founded.

    ". . . It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Daszak’s organization funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”. . .

    A second statement that had enormous influence in shaping public attitudes was a letter (in other words an opinion piece, not a scientific article) published on 17 March 2020 in the journal Nature Medicine. Its authors were a group of virologists led by Kristian G. Andersen of the Scripps Research Institute. “Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus,” the five virologists declared in the second paragraph of their letter.

    Unfortunately, this was another case of poor science, in the sense defined above. True, some older methods of cutting and pasting viral genomes retain tell-tale signs of manipulation. But newer methods, called “no-see-um” or “seamless” approaches, leave no defining marks. Nor do other methods for manipulating viruses such as serial passage, the repeated transfer of viruses from one culture of cells to another. If a virus has been manipulated, whether with a seamless method or by serial passage, there is no way of knowing that this is the case. Andersen and his colleagues were assuring their readers of something they could not know. . . . "

    The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora's ...
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    May 5, 2021 — - Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists ...
     
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    You mean that extended whine where in Mueller's team of braying asses complain at length that Trump wouldn't confess to a crime he didn't commit?
     
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    Because he didn't think it would be necessary, the proper review was done, it said otherwise and he complied. He did what the government ethics panel advised. What's the controversy?

    Again

    "Mr. DeJoy has denied the accusations, and the Post story is thin. Wake County, North Carolina District Attorney Lorrin Freeman, a Democrat, conducted a review of state campaign-finance reports and told the Post that it “did not provide sufficient indications of a pattern of improper contributions to open a state criminal investigation.”

    Mr. DeJoy was also subject to a Postal Service Inspector General review of his finances, which reported he’d met the “ethics requirements related to disclosure, recusal, and divestment” upon taking his post.

    The Post story focuses on 2000 to 2014, the year New Breed was acquired by XPO Logistics, where Mr. DeJoy worked until his retirement in 2015. The federal statute of limitations on straw-donor violations is five years. Why is the FBI digging into a case it is unlikely to be able to prosecute?"

    Answer............................politics.
     
  12. Lee Atwater

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    Says who?
     
  13. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    (CNN)Mark Meadows, former President Donald Trump's White House chief of staff, pushed the Department of Justice in his boss' last weeks in office to investigate baseless conspiracy theories and fraud claims about the 2020 presidential election, according to documents obtained by CNN.

    The New York Times was the first to report about the documents Saturday.
    Meadows sent five emails in late December and early January to then-acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen asking him to look into election fraud claims in Georgia and New Mexico and other debunked theories that Trump had won the election, according to emails obtained by CNN.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/05/politics/mark-meadows-doj-2020-election-fraud/index.html

    This completely shatters the firewall that is supposed to exist between the DoJ and the executive over delusional claims of voter fraud.

    The requests by Mr. Meadows reflect Mr. Trump’s belief that he could use the Justice Department to advance his personal agenda.

    WASHINGTON — In Donald J. Trump’s final weeks in office, Mark Meadows, his chief of staff, repeatedly pushed the Justice Department to investigate unfounded conspiracy theories about the 2020 presidential election, according to newly uncovered emails provided to Congress, portions of which were reviewed by The New York Times.

    In five emails sent during the last week of December and early January, Mr. Meadows asked Jeffrey A. Rosen, then the acting attorney general, to examine debunked claims of election fraud in New Mexico and an array of baseless conspiracies that held that Mr. Trump had been the actual victor. That included a fantastical theory that people in Italy had used military technology and satellites to remotely tamper with voting machines in the United States and switch votes for Mr. Trump to votes for Joseph R. Biden Jr.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/05/...9996&user_id=24a85bef334f35855846ca83d172e864
     
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    As I posted
    North Carolina District Attorney Lorrin Freeman, a Democrat and the US Postal Inspector General. If you are going to discuss then please read what I post so I don't have to repeat myself.

    What was not proper about them and be specific.
     
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    Canada has roughly one-third our death rate.

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    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

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    One month makes a huge difference.
     
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    The report speaks for itself.
     
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    Because Part Two identifies Trump's obstruction.
     
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    United States - 82.3% urbanized
    Canada - 81.4% urbanized
    We're talking about the death rate.

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    Outside is better than inside for avoiding the virus.
     
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  19. Lee Atwater

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    They weren't baseless. Biden even bragged about it on video.
     
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    I think we can conclude along with most Americans, even some who voted for Trump in 2020, he screwed up our covid response.

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    When and if we put covid in the rearview mirror, I hope with have a national commission to look at why and how 600,000 (and counting) Americans lost their lives to the virus.
     
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    Yes, he failed. Had he done better he would probably have been reelected. I suspect that post mortem (no pun intended) will have to compete with the Chinese culpability narrative.
     
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    If a bipartisan post mortem is negotiated in the House by Dems with Repubs in order to examine our mistakes so they can be corrected in the future McTreason will no doubt kill that one too.
     
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    I have to disagree on the claim Trump failed.

    WARP Speed proves he did not fail. I have heard Chinese allege that the lab is the source and it was made up on purpose as a weaponized version of the virus. The actual killing rate was not very good for a weapon though. Despite the media leading the parade blaming Trump, but for Trump those vaccines still would be in the testing stages. I went to a major supermarket last week and only one clerk wore a mask. I was looking to see who wore masks. She did but none of we customers nor the rest of the store staff. I am vaccinated so do not fear getting or passing the Disease. Biden himself got the shot so he is protected. Thanks to Trumps efforts by implementing WARP SPEED.
     

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