Texas Gov Abbott Toughens Bans on Mask and Vaccine Mandates

Oh no. You're being disgengenuous. So why does your government mandate Band-Aids?

 

You mean first aid kits?
Thi is required for commercial boats or those that go a certain distance out to sea.

 

This is what happens when sheeple (no that isn’t a typo) have to let their news outlets tell them what to do
SCIENCE should be static. There shouldnt be different science info on cnn then there is on fox

 

So you posted something you disagree with?

 

I will tell you this for the last time:

I posted quotes from a news article about Gov Abbott's executive order.

I personally disagree with businesses forcing their customers to wear masks when there is no lawful mandate to do so. I will NOT be their customer, hope many others also boycott them and they go out of business.

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That's because you agree with government telling them what to do. You are a cultural marxist. I believe private companies have the right to decide for themselves.

 

To quote what kids used to chant when I was in elementary school... " sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me."

No one cares what you think... least of all me.

The irony is... You don't know me and you would be quite surprised if you did.

You are totally wasting your time repeatedly trying to needle me. I certainly hope that is not your real life personality... or you will have a sad life.

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18 C has had minimal impact on rights to free speech or religious expression. The same way regulations on firearms have had minimal impact on that right in the US.[/QUOTE]

How about target shooting, hunting and vermin control? I.E. the same thing millions of American's use all the 'obsolete' weapons your complaining about for.

Yes you have, repeatedly I presume it makes you feel superior. Albeit it adds nothing to a debate.

And yet there are regulations regarding the sale and purchase of certain firearms in the United States. How does that fit into your argument? We also have an express aright to religious freedom enshrined in the Constitution. And while there are regulations and laws (like 18C) that may impact on its application occasioanly (again like gun laws in the US) we are still largely free to practice religious beleifs in schools.As free as Americans are to own firearms.

Wrong. I made no reference to any particular religion and expressed no support or disdain for any. By way of clarification I was referring to the fact that you are not allowed to incite to violence in places of worship (or schools) but that otherwise religious education continues to be the norm for many kids in both public and private schools.

Not at all. The enshrined right to religious freedom in Australia extends to schools and is largely unaffected by 18C. The same way various regulations on firearm sales in the US leave ownership largely untouched. My point has always been that the degree 'freedom' the citizens of any State enjoy is reflected by sum total of ALL rights available to them plus how those rights are then interpreted by the Courts. One right (to bear arms) no more makes a citizen of the US 'freer' than a citizen of any other country than does the right of an Australian child to receive religious education in a public school. It also is axiomatic that no one right in for instance the Bill of Rights is more 'valuable/important' than any other. They are all equally valuable or they are all equally meaningless and they sink or swim together. In summary 'cherry picking' a right you feel strongest about and then saying 'this one right makes me freer than you' is just wrong.

Not a marxist. I'm perfectly happy with mixed free enterprise economy thank you. And throw away phrases like that are generally used as an excuse to avoid answering any further questions or statements in a debate. Convenient but again disingenuous. In the interim note I haven't resorted to similar throw away phrases.[/QUOTE]

Then you obviously need to clarify your statement.

No it means please clarify your statement. Which you should do were it not for the fact you seem to be more interested in proving how 'clever' you think you are than in actually having an honest debate. But that's your choice.

Not arbitrary - its a standard internationally recognized method of comparing/contrasting variables between two sample groups of different sizes. In this case that variable was number of immigrants (and refugees) per head of population. Now you might not like that measure but that doesn't change the fact its perfectly valid way of measuring something like this. It's just a way of comparing a sample group of 25 million with one of 300 million. So direct your complaint to statisticians everywhere not me. I didn't invent it.[/QUOTE]

Constantly. Its your 'go to' turn of phrase apparently. Still doesn't actually count as a meaningful response though. No matter how many times you repeat it.

One last point. This constant division of posts into little blacks which you then 'pick apart' makes it difficult to respond. May I suggest in future just typing a response detailing each point you wish to raise and leaving it at that. I will of course do the same.

 

I am not asking you to care, I am just pointing out the irony in your stance, and while I do not know you personally, I know what your stance is with this issue: you celebrate a governor who wants the government to dictate what private companies can and cannot do and punish them if they do not submit to his will.

If you believed in free markers, you'd let companies decide for themselves.

 

So, why does your mommy government mandate it?

 

So, why not repeal it?

Think. What is the difference between owning and bearing arms?

You still don't understand how this is anathema to religious freedom. Religious freedom is a uniquely American idea and originated in America.

Once again, can an Australian have his child taught that black people should be called Raisin Heads in Australian public schools? Yes or no.

Viva Frei posted an episode where he told the Americans that Canada really did have freedom of speech and that the Americans really didn't know what they are talking about. Only much later, after interacting with Americans, did he realize what we are talking about.

As long as the collective effect of the mixed free enterprise is a net positive, right?

Not my job to teach you reading comprehension.

Like I said. You won't be able to understand why it is arbitrary.

Then don't.

 

I recall this brilliant poem about Ronald McDonald substituted for Vlad Putin as he subject of the poem.

On the topic of this thread, Abbott is shilling to idiots and he knows he's doing the wrong thing. You don't respond to a pandemic by legislating that people can't do things to protect themselves and their businesses.

 

Because mommy govt was under pressure from the general public to 'do something'
about idiot boaters who were costing the taxpayer a fortune when they got lost at sea.
And mommy govts all over the world mandate seat belts and air bags, and anti-lock brakes,
rollover protection, indicators and the like for cars.

 

How does not having a Band-Aid cause one to get lost at sea?

 

Lack of reading comprehension is a massive problem on this forum.

Governor Abbott did not legislate or sign legislation saying that "people can't do things to protect themselves and their businesses." His order only applies to government agency mandates. The people in government can choose to wear masks and take vaccines if they wish. People outside the government may do the same. People who own businesses and corporations may require masks.

 

The recent action by Abbot is not dictating what private businesses can do.

The actions he took back in March and April of 2020 did allow local counties to dictate what private businesses can do.

 

Now I understand why people are confused. The title of the CNBC article is fake news.

https://thetexan.news/gov-abbott-si...ness-restrictions-restrict-vaccine-passports/

Senate Bill 968 is the one which prevents businesses from checking vaccination status. This was already prevented by the Constitution as well as privacy laws. Many people are going nuts however and need some gentle reminding.

 

Is that the case? I would imagine the raw data is the same. They usually take liberties on how to slant the information though. They all do that which is part of the reason I don't watch any of it.

 

That poster is very hardline Christian (that's not an insult mods). If you think about it, it's the same conceptual overlay as wanting political leaders to dictate what people and companies can and can't do. All of that involves placing one's personal responsibility in someone else's hands.

 

It comes across weird when people celebrate government restrictions / authoritarianism and call it "freedom" and everyone who points out the contradiction is a "cultural marxist". People need to stop and listen to what their political party is really saying instead of assuming they are always doing the right thing. Politically motivated fundamentalist Christians can be a bit rigid in their line of thinking, because they do assume their political party can never be wrong.

 

I agree with your general points, but science is changing in many cases. Science demands discussion. It demands theories that are either validated or invalidated. Our knowledge of many things around us is incomplete, and that includes gravity and other phenomenon.

The government's false claims about science are really just propaganda for the gullible.

 

Its ok to question research and peoples efforts to resolve problems, but when you have 4.5 million dead people, you might want to consider that maybe there was some truth to it.

 

Beats me. But I tell you it can be a big issue. Put a band aid on my stomach a few weeks ago
and my whole skin errupted wih weeping sores. Allergy of some sort. But I digress, and so are
you.

 

Here's what I think of modern medicine.
We should all get down on our hands and knees and worship all the people who
made it what it is - from the first small pox vaccines to the mRNA CAS Crispr
healing genetic faults we have been the recipients of what other generations
would have thought to be miracles.

 

No. You were the one who compared masks to mandating people carry around first aid kits - not me. Instead of yielding the point and admitting that mandating people carry around first aid kits is silly, you've been chasing around squirrels. So why don't you just admit that a government mandating private citizens carry around first aid kits is silly.