There is something I'm not understanding about the right wing Afghanistan narrative...

While I agree we screwed up, it would be nice is a few of the forum critics would at least say exactly what we should have done.

 

I made that list on my own with no input. That's the point. Every brain that doesn't "know squat" about pulling your people out of a war zone knows to get your civilians out first. They know to inform your allies. This is simple stuff that Joe Biden and the Democrats couldn't figure out.

 

Imediately ... yes.

In a month or two ... we'll be fine. The optics of people falling off of airplanes wasn't good; but who's fault is that? If you make something idiot proof they just invent a better idiot.

 

"It's too bad people that know how to solve all our problems are busy driving cabs and cutting hair" -George Burns

 

Right, but I wasn't referring to mRNA only.

 

We either take them here or the Taliban will murder them. Among other unappetizing things they tend toward being luddites.

 

I thought I would mention it because there are types around here who freak out at the idea the actual virus would be injected into their body.

 

Since there is no requirement by the US for US citizens to register going in or out of Kabul, how do you expect them to know accurately how many US citizens are still there?

 

Nope, it's an attempt to cover a disaster by people who should know better.

 

I don't. But, I also don't expect them to pull the troops before making a serious attempt at getting the citizens out. I don't expect them to leave our allies in the dark. These are simple things that the Democrats running the Biden Administration failed to do.

Let me ask you a few questions.

Would you pull out your military before your citizens?

Would you leave your allies in the dark and vulnerable?

I answered your question. So.... go ahead... share some honesty. Much of the Leftists won't. We only get drone like talking points.

 

You ever here of a passenger manifest?

 

I have posted multiple times that Afghanistan was never a war to be won, but a frontier to be defended. We should have settled in for several more decades, just like Germany and South Korea. The appropriate model was the Brits' Northwest Frontier Force in the 19th century.

 

No. Dishonor is forever.

 

I think a lot of educated Afghans are worried they may be or become targets. I think it was entirely predictable educated Afghans would be rushing for the exits if and when the Taliban take over.

We should have told those who want out that they can't wait until the last moment and expect our help in the inevitable chaos of people heading for the exits. The people taking over are truly the forces of darkness.

I see educated Afghans as akin to orphans taken in by a rich family and then suddenly abandoned through no fault of their own.

 

You need to ask a rational question to get a rational answer. First off, not ALL Americans have been evacuated. That's an on-going effort; complicated by Taliban roadblocks, beatings of American citizens, and Taliban confuscating American's credentials.

You are correct in saying the eventual take-over by Taliban was predictable, and in fact was predicted in several official reports over the past few months.

The problem lies in that there was little or no planning; the assumption was that the Taliban would take far longer to reach Kabul. Underestimating your enemy is a military mistake well known even before Sun Tzu wrote Art of War.
Plans should have been in place for an orderly evacuation of Americans; probably based on some priority system.

There should also have been plans to destroy any equipment that couldn't be removed quickly.

There are just SO MANY things that could have been done better and earlier that would have mitigated the situation we find ourselves.

 

They should have been planning for far longer than that. We've know for a long time we were pulling out.

 

Yeah. By not going in in the first place.

 

I'm definitely concerned about the Afghani allies that aided us while there and I believe that we are doing everything to get them out at this moment. Several thousand have already been evacuated. As for your other questions, we really don't know the order of when things happened at this stage in the game, but of course, that does not prevent the pundits from spinning their own theories. I will wait till August 31 to see our progress, but it is still premature to judge what precipitated the rapid fall of Kabul.

This is Biden's Kobi Ashi Maru. No matter what, he was doomed to suffer the consequences. There was no easy way to get out of this mess cleanly and to pretend otherwise is an idiot's folly.

 

And what is your answer? I wasted my time reading your post just to find that it contained none.

 

Oh God! I sure hope this is not one of those responses by a poster who doesn't read what they are responding to.

Nonsense. An "orderly evacuation" was not possible in ANY circumstance.

You didn't contribute to answering the question.

 

So you refused to answer the questions.

Would you pull out your military before your citizens?

Would you leave your allies in the dark and vulnerable?​

Thanks for playing.

 

I believe they did. It did take 11 days before getting to Kabul. The whole world saw them coming. Resistance was expected, but I'm certain the DoD had put the current scenario through the modeling software (or however they do these things nowadays.)

I don't know what happened, and looking to the government and media for answers is foolish at this point. The government is lying and the media is blaming.

If we look at what unfolded, everyone who wanted out had 11 days after the Taliban began taking the rest of the country. Whatever the reasons for staying, for those who could leave, they could have left freely and casually. What could have been done to facilitate their exit prior to the Taliban arriving in Kabul? Anything?

The system appears to have failed many Afghani nationals who can and want to leave. There's no excuse for last minute processing bottlenecks. These people should have been offered a ride to the USA when the agreement was struck last year.

I don't know what to say about Americans who chose to remain. They've had plenty of time to get their affairs in order and either leave, or plan on a last minute departure if necessary.

As far as the government goes, they're not telling us what really happened. I do believe the consensus was that the Afghan government would hold, if only for a short time. I also believe they knew what would happen if they were wrong, and that is what we witnessed.

It's more complicated than "Biden ****ed up. No Trump ****ed up."

In the event of failure, panic was inevitable. How to deal with panic in a city the size of Kabul is no simple task. I don't know if there are any preferable choices in this situation. If we had sounded an alarm when the Taliban began its march, would we have seen 11 days of chaos? What we did may have been a better option. I don't know. These are some questions I'd like answered.

One thing looks clear; we weren't prepared for 4.4 million people running scared for their lives, whether the timeline was known, planned or neither. The only way we could have planned anything is with more troops, as there are now. How many troops would it take to defend Kabul? We were getting out. The number of remaining boots was barely enough to hold the airport down. I don't see a whole lot of options here, but there will be time for sworn testimony. Now is time for finger pointing, apparently.

 

We don't seem to have the stomach for a long occupation. I don't know if we could have successfully pulled off the strategy, or why we would care to try.

 

I already explained my reasoning. All you are doing is beating a dead horse without knowing what is actually going on the ground and pumping this story up for partisan purposes only. That much is plainly visible.

 

No. These are simple questions. Questions that Leftist after Leftist refuse to answer. Honest Independents will tell you the answers. Hell, you know the right answers, but they hurt "your side". You don't care about the people trapped behind Taliban lines. You care about protecting the Democrats.

Would you pull out your military before your citizens?

Would you leave your allies in the dark and vulnerable?​

You refused to answer them, because you know your boy, China Joe, totally ****ed this all up. You refuse to be honest. That's just who you have become as a Left leaner. It's an epidemic with the Left.