EXCLUSIVE: AZ Sen. Pres. Karen Fann Reveals Maricopa County Lies; What’s Ahead for the Audit?

I would say the most honest people counting them are the ones that do it first after the election.

 

I think they should err on the side of cation and not remove anyone they are not 100% sure should not be there.

How do these ballot harvesters know which people are not accurate and are they stealing the ballots out of the mailbox?

 

This has been a problem in the US for years. Mostly self inflicted, somewhat bipartisan with a republican lean to it.
Striking people from the voting rolls because thye haven't voted in x elections is wrong in my mind. Reregistering by mail is not reliable (as I can atest), and registering on line is difficult (i had to register my parents who are 87 and 82 with them and they would have had zero chance of getting through the process on their own). I will add that in many states passing laws against ballot harvesting, they would make it illegal for my parents to rely on their neighbors to mail their votes. I am the only family they have within a 1000 mile radius.
Republicans much prefer to cull them all, let them ask for reinstatement policy, and liking the idea of a side benefit to have a barrier to entry for the poorest and soft support who do tend to be democrats.
Fund the postal service properly, invest in voter roll information gathering (once again a federal data base would be better IMO), and figure out where people live and if they live there. With time, and the big data gathering that exists, this will get easier, but right now it really is disastrous and wrong that people find out the day that they go vote that they have been culled from the rolls in what can only be judged a completely arbitrary way.

As for the last known adress thingie. I have no doubt that a few hundred votes have been cast by someone intercepting their neighbors ballot, maybe a few more than if the ballot had been specifically requested (ie mail lying in the lobby uncollected for days) but I have no doubt that that is a very rare occurence, and I think calling that "ballot harvesting" makes it sound like a sinsiter plot rather than one guy doing a criminal and poorly thought out thing (ie the republican guy who sent in a ballot adressed to his mother who had died before the elections. Notice that it would have made no difference if the ballot were requested or not)

 

https://en-volve.com/2021/08/18/six...ion-fraud-are-hauled-into-court-in-handcuffs/

California is ripe with fraud.

 

Do you not know what a Neocon is? Former Democrats hiding in the Republican party.

Not all never Trumpets are true Republicans.

 

Ahhh, the old No true Scotsman fallacy.

Well done, that one has not been played for a while.

But hey, do tell....what is a "true Republican"?

 

Individual picayune election fraud is inevitably a fact of life as things stand today, and has existed since time immemorial. I don't think that this specific sort of behaviour is tied to just one party. There are also countless stories of individual republicans commiting this sort of small scale fraud (google it).
There is a way of avoiding this sort of thing: institute a federal voting number issued at birth or naturalization. Have individual states have access to this information. Invest billions to insitute this system. Use big data to track citizens activity to ensure real residence. have this system be progressively instituted (ie those born today get this federal ID number, meaning no work required to get it). This would certainly insure safer elections. But, ironically, those who complain the most about election integrity will then start yelling about state's rights and indivdual freedom. How about facial recognition software that films everyone entering the voting booth? You on board for that?
While the latter proposal was said in jest, I really do beleive in the former.
You can't demand 1000 percent safe elections without giving in to big government. So the right is now arguing to have more and more measures to ensure safe elections, and yet are the same people who want the government out of their lives and to be able to live off the grid if they so chose.
As to your article, yes that is really a case of voter fraud that is egregious. I hope they get serious time. And obviously the fact that this MAY have made a difference in the outcome makes it particularily newsworthy. But honestly, I think people may take that chance on local elections where 5 votes make a difference, I doubt they would on a presidential election (risk/reward is not there).
As it stands right now, there is no state in the US that has voting laws that would stop rare, individual, insignificant fraud on a tiny level.
Name me the state, I will give you a plausible scenario...
If you really want a 100 percent safe election, follow my plan, but if I doubt you guys will like it.

 

Voting I.D.:
We don’t “do” national I.D’s.
Serious vote fraud is not done by individuals, but by organizations.
In California it is ballot harvesting, scooping up undeliverable ballots thus losing the chain of custody.
Make it illegal to pay money to “help” to people to vote “right”.
I suggest various proofs of citizenship to be OK.
Clean up voter rolls* by purging the dead, moved, missing, ineligible giving ballot harvesters less to harvest.
Outlaw ballot harvesting.
California sends a post card and relies on the letter carrier to return it, or the person who received it to mark it “not at this address”. (What can possibly go wrong?”

 

1. Maricopa Elections were NOT run by Democrats (yet)... That's just a documented fact you seemed not to have learned...

2. Mzzzz Fann(y) is getting her ass kicked in court weekly, a position she needs to get used to .... Her career is likely to be over when all of this nonsense is fully exposed..

SNIP
An appeals court on Thursday rejected an effort by the Arizona Senate to keep secret records of its ongoing review of the 2020 election in Maricopa County that are in the possession of the contractors conducting the recount.

The Arizona Court of Appeals ruled that the documents sought by the watchdog group American Oversight detailing how the recount and audit are being conducted are public and must be turned over.

The ruling upholds a decision by a Maricopa County Superior Court judge, who has ordered the Senate to turn over the records by Aug. 31.
ENDSNIP

https://www.yahoo.com/news/appeals-court-orders-arizona-senate-221705580.html

 

US Passports are recognized as official IDs in every state that I looked up in terms of voting ID required. So we do "do" national ID.
And I completely agree with you that organized fraud is what needs to be addressed, not individual fraud. So why do republicans continuously harp on the individual ones?
As to voter rolls, they should be purged regularly, but the states must give themselves the means to purge them correctly, which they don't. So instead, they do a mass dump, as well as eliminate people who haven't voted in one federal election, branding them "inactive". As to ballot harvesting, I do not know really. As I have stated before my parents rely on the kindness of their neighbours to deliver their mail. Many states have passed/are passing laws to make this illegal and give it the ominous name of "ballot harvesting". I do understand that states that allow ballot harvesting do so to help seniors especially (to think otherwise would be preposterous), I do understand that this could lead to a group harvesting ballots and altering them. pretty sure that no one in California was doing this in the presidential elections though.

 

The election was in Sept. and here it is close to the end of Aug. and Arizona still doesn't have the election figured out? Sorry Guys, but, ROTFLMFAO!!!

 

I finally just put him on ignore... unfortunately, that list is getting pretty long.

Indoctrination is very difficult to overcome. Deprogramming the human mind is much more difficult than indoctrinating it in the first place.

 

Well, your post here is one of the principle reasons the left delays, obstructs, attacks, whines, files flurries of law suits, etc.

They never concede anything. When proven wrong, they still won't admit it, they simply have their propaganda wing continue engaging in personal attacks against the people who dared to prove them wrong.

The left us pure evil.

 

Calling out liars on the forum is something everyone is responsible otherwise the lies go unchallenged. But there are preconditions;

1) You have to be able to prove they are deliberately lying.
2) The lies have to be fact based not opinion based.
3) You have to be able to produce the evidence of the lie upon demand.
4) You have to be prepared to answer to the mods and justify your claim.

The mods themselves won't investigate for you (like as if they have the time).

So in your case it was opinion based - you didn't have the facts. So acknowledge it, move on and forget about it.

 

Biden is not the topic

the point is that they should produce the evidence and the sooner the better because people, even Trump fans are starting to lose interest

 

Ummmm How exactly have they delayed the evidence in the fraud it?

 

No. This is untrue. Even the county elections board is (strong) majority Republican.

Why do you tell these blatant untruths?

 

Ohhhh, stereotyping.

 

I believe you mean FORMER Pres. Trump, eh?

 

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Bush was a Democrat??!?!?!?

 

That bolded statement is 100% incorrect on every conceivable level.

 

So, in spite of a huge amount of work, I decided to leave the Covid-19 forum just to see what kind of erudite, adult debate is happening elsewhere in PF. I now feel like a man in the desert with an empty water bottle.

This is all very, very sad.

Some people still cannot, even NINE ****ING MONTHS after the general election, get over the fact that Trump lost, fair and square.

Sad, sad, sad.

 

The man in office has rapidly lost approval by the public is why.

 

Thanks for reminding me. Prior to your reminder I had moved on and had forgot it.