Corona Virus Update

Discussion in 'Coronavirus (COVID-19) News' started by HereWeGoAgain, Mar 12, 2020.

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    Does your data involve average age? I didn't think so. Florida is loaded with retirees. It has a high average age. Old people do most of the dying from covid.
     
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    Agree. I have no idea what ages are dying. They say delta is hitting younger ages but I’ve not looked into median or average age of deaths.

    There are so many other factors as well. One that I’m sure drives infections now in Florida is the heat. Everyone is hiding from the heat/humidity combination indoors. That’s the case some in California, but much less so.

    To be clear, obviously Floridians are being infected and could protect themselves better. But so could people in most other states. Listening to stare governors for advice on Covid seems odd to me be it Cuomo or DeSantas. Doesn’t seem like either tribe has much bragging rights at this point.
     
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    It’s what is desired. It took 40+ years of hard work and a lot of $$$ to get public education where it is today. As you can see, there is great desire to preserve what we’ve built. :)
     
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    https://www.oecd.org/unitedstates/CN - United States.pdf
    As in so many things I have found since showing an interest in the states, America seems to sit at the bottom of the first world country league.

    But then this is what you desire over there, with a decent education only for those who can afford it and an almost religious adherence to personal responsibility.
     
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    Just out of curiosity, have you seen much data on educational outcomes by country? Does an American with the same level of education possess less knowledge than a similar educated individual in other countries?
    The educational system we have crafted is designed to train individuals into a certain mindset and behavior. I don’t think that’s unique to the US but we do a better job making sure that is the laser focus. Most other countries still have enough nationalism/pride left to add in some actual education so that their populations are competitive in a global economy. For some reason that is not a priority at all here—in fact any nationalism or desire to be on par with other nations is specifically trained out of our population through “education”.

    This is why homeschooling etc. is so hated. Not because kids do better in spelling, reading and math, but because it destroys the desired homogeneity of though and behavior our public educational system is designed to produce. Real knowledge is power. If you keep this in mind, it’s easy to see why a 20% illiteracy rate is celebrated. Knowledge and ability to attain knowledge has always been the tool of the authoritarian since…forever. The control of literacy and and knowledge by the Roman Catholic Church of the Dark Ages is version 1.0 of recent history. The US educational system is version 2.0. A little more sophisticated so that the “right” people get enough education but the vast majority are just trained to appeal to the authority of the “right” people. I believe the recent posts by the OP in this thread about appeal to authority and education prove this out.
     
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    A Cat 4 or Cat 5 Hurricane is about to hit New Orleans and all of the hospitals in the South are full. There is nowhere to evacuate.

    No matter what the deniers, crackpots, and people playing scientist claim, THAT is reality.
     
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    Has someone denied that there is a curricane bearing on Louisiana? I haven't heard any denials.
     
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    How does one “play scientist”? So far you have been unable to define the term “scientist”. Someone who can’t define the term probably ought not to discuss the subject—especially in the presence of those who can. Just a tip so you may be able to regain some small measure of credibility here on PF in the future.
     
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    Many hospitals throughout the South are running low on oxygen. Some in areas affected by the storm are in jeopardy of running out entirely.
     
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    Garfield Montana.
    There is 1 person for every 4.8 square miles, and only a bit over 1000 people in the entire county, But 100 of them have had Covid and 3 have already died.

    You can't make this stuff up! Notice also the Sturgis Covid Star shining brightly.

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    If you have a sample size greater than n > 30 your results will be normally distributed based on the central limit theorem
     
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    You can’t get COVID-19 from the COVID-19 vaccines.

    Sometimes people die or get sick even though they have been vaccinated but it's not the fault of the vaccine giving them COVID-19. Most often, It’s the fault of the persons immune system not having an adequate immune response-such as ineffective memory B-cells creating enough antibodies marking cells infected with the COVID-19 virus for destruction.

    The COVID-19 vaccines code for none of the molecular machinery that cause illness and potentially death. The only thing the COVID-19 vaccines code for are the characteristic spike proteins found on the COVID-19 viruses surface.

    Think of it this way, the spike proteins the vaccine codes for are like a hood emblem on an old car. You can identify what kind of car the hood emblem belongs to but with none of the machinery that makes the car work. Similarly, your body can identify cells infected with the COVID-19 virus with just the COVID-19 viruses characteristic spike proteins and none of the molecular machinery that cause sickness and potentially death. In other words, you can’t get COVID-19 from the COVID-19 vaccines.
     
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    Yes. The cited study was using that concept to demonstrate the data on homeschoolers outperforming public schools in Oregon is legitimate. If the resultant bell curve did not show normal distribution it would suggest bias or incomplete data.
     
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    With new Covid cases in Florida at around 22,000 per day, we can expect around a 400 dead per day average in another week or two.

    With twice the population, California is at around 13,000 new cases per day. So we might expect around 260 deaths per day in a few weeks.

    So again we see that having a Republican Governor is deadly.

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    Just selecting a county in the area hardest hit by the Hurricane reveals a typical ~100% ICU occupancy. Again, they had nowhere to evacuate patients and many hospitals are running low on oxygen. Hopefully we won't see a disaster.

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    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map
     
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    Hospitals are experiencing failures including loss of the roof and generator failures.
     
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    Now we see this news from Alberta, Canada:

    Alberta citizen Pat King appeared in court after he was fined $1,200 for violating a COVID law banning more than 10 people assembling together. In court last month, King subpoenaed the Chief Medical Officer, Deena Hinshaw, to present the court with material evidence that
    COVID existed. Hinshaw and the Alberta provincial government could not produce the material evidence for the isolation of SARS-COV-2.

    Because the Chief Medical Officer of Health of Alberta could not produce the requested material evidence, Alberta closed its COVID regime, i.e. contact tracing, quarantining, masks, social distancing, etc. Instead, they declared COVID to be no more than seasonal flu.

    https://awakecanada.org/patrick-king-of-red-deer-alberta-wins-court-case/
     
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    European Union recommends halting non-essential travel from the U.S.

    https://www.axios.com/eu-travel-res...lert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alerts_all

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    European Union recommends travel restrictions for unvaccinated Americans, a non-binding proposal, as U.S. becomes pandemic hot spot

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...0.7eMTRA6IWB50tW4D13fzz36kTOgdUAncQ2-hNu4ItIM


    Good f r them. As long as this country continues to rebel against vaccines and masks..........these and other........will be consequences of that kind of immature and irresponsible behavior. Some people just cannot be educated due to their own personal beliefs and biases. They are the ones that hold a nation back..........from resolving this major problem. The would rather gamble and make themselves sick and make others sick. The seem to think they know better than the experts. They would rather get their "information" form social media.

    The way t his Pandemic has been mishandled by the population........ just makes america look stupid. childish , uneducated, uniformed and rebellious
     
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    Haha, we have people at work who refuse to get the vaccine. But now customers are starting to demand that anyone onsite at their facilities must show proof of vaccination or a weekly test.
     
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    40% of Americans have made the country a pathetic joke in more ways than I can count.
     
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    Exactly!!!! And to them.......40% is a "majority" ;-)
     
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    Good . As it should be. Technically, they ar a PUBLIC HEALTH HAZARD. ( a risk to others and themselves ......)
     
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    THAT is what gets me. They think it is a freedom thing but they don't give a damn about anyone else's freedom. I have a right to go to the store without putting my life at risk because some bozo is infected and refuses to act responsibly.

    Frankly, at this point we really need to start talking about criminal negligence. Death due to reckless endangerment is still death. Anyone who spreads this through willful negligence should be in prison. No one has a right, and never has, to go around killing people or causing permanent damage to organs, because they don't give a damn.
     
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    I totally AGREE. It has nothing to do with freedom..........as itis a PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE. It is a contagion.......that spreads to others. Those that make the freedom claims and refuse to be vaccinated or wear a mask.......are totally selfish and irresponsible members of society. Some use the "freedom" argument as their fall back position for irresponsible behavior. Little wonder the virus is going into another wave.... and out of control in places. now. There is a direct correlation between those areas and political views too. They don't seem t get that if someone dies from the virus after catching it from them....because of their recklessness ..........that could be homicide. They recklessly caused the death of another.....because they ignored the precautions and refused the treatment available to them .. That is the cold reality...harsh as it is.

    What we are seeing is an ABUSE of"freedom"..........
     
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    A tricky question. I don't know how you would compare educational equivalences. What is the American equivalent to our GCSE's or A and AS levels. Do you even test at the same ages?
    All I have done is look at the existing reports that show America's position.
    I assume the OECD calculate them?
    I don't know enough to reply to this, it seems a little conspiratorial to assume teachers are all refusing to teach anything beyond propaganda in a country with a free press. This would mean they are doing this willingly. hmm.
    And I don't really see the link between nationalism (Or national pride) and economic competitivity.
    Yes the Catholic church ruled this way, but that just demonstrates its possible, not that its happening. Such a system today would quickly fail, for as soon as the correctly educated graduate left education they would be exposed to the truth. Indeed they would glean the truth from the internet while still at school.
    I think we need to look at a different malaise here. You made a point earlier about teaching to the lowest common denominator, that does ring true.
     
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