Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took top-secret action to protect nuclear weapons

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  1. stone6

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    As I would expect ALL such communications to be. Didn't Trump have to declassify his conversation with the Ukrainian president?
     
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    For what? Confirming stated U.S. policy, based on our Constitution, statutory law (War Powers Act) and international treaty obligations (U.N. Charter)? Trump wasn't removed because of a weak Congress that allowed Trump to appoint "acting Cabinet members" without nominating them for Senate confirmation votes. The 25th Amendment requires that the VP initiate action and secure the approval of all of the Cabinet members ion the President's removal. If the President objects, then it goes to the Congress. Congress must approve of his removal by a 2/3rds majority in BOTH the House and Senate...i.e. a higher bar to cross than the impeachment proceedings he's already gone through...i.e. there was no way he could have been practically removed via the 25th Amendment.

    And, Milley wasn't removed b because he was only confirming U.S. policy and law to the Chinese.
     
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    That WAS NOT "exactly" what Milley was telling his Chinese counterpart. What Milley told his Chinese counterpart was this:

    “General Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If we’re going to attack, I’m going to call you ahead of time. It’s not going to be a surprise.”

    Seriously, stop making stuff up.
     
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    Why Trump wasn't removed from office.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The cops were right back of Ashli. And for a Lt not to be in contact with them seems not possible.

    He wanted to kill a White woman, perhaps over Floyd and killed one.
     
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    A "top-secret action" to prevent Trump from using nuclear weapons. If a general needed to run an end game around Trump because he thought Trump was off his rocker then why wasn't Trump removed from office immediately? Clearly there was a failure somewhere if a president was deemed unfit by a general to have access to the football.
     
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    Still isn't the one who pulled out. You have a tendency to say things and never back them up. You do realize we droned bombed the Taliban during the agreement as well right? This is how Trump enforced our agreement and you would be a fool to think he wouldn't have continued bombing if they threatened Americans in Kabul. Now that we're factual let's look as the real question. Why did Biden renegotiate the timeline?

    https://www.npr.org/2020/03/04/8120...-taliban-as-fragile-afghan-peace-deal-teeters
     
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    Or the general and the speaker of the house are off their rocker making wild conspiracy **** up with not one iota of evidence.
     
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    Is it also US policy for a general to let an enemy know they are about to be attacked so they can prepare for it? Usually the US will notified countries of an imminent attack in the hopes that country stops doing whatever it is that created the need to attack them but it is usually done by a very high top level civilian like someone in the State Department. I have serious concerns about what Milley did and what precedence he has set for generals who think their president is unfit for the job. That determination is very subjective and should not be made by one general IMO.
     
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    Exactly which is why an investigation is needed to determine why they didn't remove Trump if they thought he was "crazy" enough to attack China for no reason. Such an order could have been refused by the Pentagon and with that proof in hand that Trump was deranged he most certainly should have been removed. But Trump never gave such an order.
     
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    So being a bully is "strength"???
     
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    Ah, tough talk is not something the woke can handle.
     
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    Talk is cheap. Sign of a sissy.
     
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    That's because under U.S. law, it can't be a surprise. Read the War Powers Act.
     
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    Impeachment is a political process...Republicans put Party over National Security and had the votes to block removal. And, Trump was removed from office via the 2020 election.
     
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    There was no end-run around the President, unless you think the President has the power to plan a surprise attack on China. He doesn't. Milley was stating U.S. policy and said, if it changes, I'll call you.
     
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    There is a time for "tough" talk........and a time......for diplomacy. It takes wisdom to know how to effectively use both.
     
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    Good question...I am not defending Biden's action, with which I also disagreed. But that doesn't excuse Trump's give-away agreement or the Executive Order moving our withdrawal up, which Milley and others managed to talk him out of implementing.
     
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    I do not recall the genesis of the claim Trump is a bully but no matter, it is just not true.
    Democrats came up with hundreds of fictions about Trump. But Trump works very well with others and actually listens to their advice.
     
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    Do you plan to ever prove that actually did happen? And you proved Trump is no Bully due to his taking the word of Milley. That damns Milley more and not less in case you did not notice.
     
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    Why do all Democrats take the word of Bob Woodward? Is he your god? Seriously, why take his word?
     
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    He didn't say Trump was unfit for the job. He told the Chinese we are a country under law. He told Pelosi he agreed with her that he was crazy. Read the Constitution and the War Powers Act. The President is PROHIBITED from launching a surprise attack unless such an attack would be a defensive attack against a country that has already attacked us.
     
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    You're babbling again. Prove what actually happened? The Executive Order advancing the withdrawal date? It's apparently in the book. Maybe it will be confirmed or denied in the investigations. This entire thread ASSUMES the book is accurate. As far as I know, without the book claim, none of this ever happened...except, I guess the latest may be DoD and Biden now acknowledging it did happen and didn't feel Milley was out-of-line.
     
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    When you have terrorists/ insurectionists violenlty breaking into the capitol building with make shift weapons it's not always easy in that kind of confusion to make the right moves. On Trumps stage on January 6 he let his lawyer say this is "trial by combat. ". What kind of shithole president lets a statment like that stand at his rally. Trump claimed "stop the steal." But that is something that takes physical action since the Senate was already deciding the election at that very moment. Psycho-Trump called Bidens victory a discrace. No president has every said that in modern history. He said after Juliani screamed "Trial by combat" " And Rudy, you did a great job. He’s got guts" Transcript of Trump's Speech at Rally Before US Capitol Riot | Political News | US News What sick F'd up president praises his lawyer for demanding combat and violence at a Rally. He said "They’ll knock out Lincoln too, by the way" once again miserable lying fighting words from a psycho-president. Trump claimed that the "Democrats would destroy the country'. Once again fighting words because at that moment the Senate was deciding the election. Trump literaly claimed destruction by the democrats. Transcript of Trump's Speech at Rally Before US Capitol Riot | Political News | US News
     
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    Since Biden refused to defend Afghanistan, he will never defend Taiwan, nor South Korea nor should they get attacked, our other allies.
    Who the hell trusts Josef Biden?

    We warned all of you how he was. And you now see first hand how dangerous Biden is.
    So eff Biden is right.
     
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