Race and Crime

The thing is....
People look at the data who gets arrested and convicted and assume that this data means who does the crime.
It's a wrong conclusion.


I've sourced that white people do equal to slightly more drug related crime, yet cops arrest black people FAR more often and so they end in jail over +600% more often. Who gets arrested and convicted, purely depends on who cops choose to arrest and who they do not arrest, and it has nothing to do with what % of an ethnicity commits a crime. That is a fact.

 

That’s true in many areas. Stats are totally dependent on who is consistently reporting them and what they represent. Still, they are misleading. Illinois does have reduced gun violence due to more strict gun laws but not in Chicago. Demographics matter and a city can’t enforce what goes on just feet outside of its borders. Everyone needs to report and enforce laws equally.

 

Uh no. It's true in the entire US. Cops all over the US end up arresting black people far more often, while white people do equal to the same amount of crime. Lots of states use a 3 strikes you're out-theme and so end up giving black people far more often a life sentence.... just because cops simply choose to arrest black people far more often then white people for the hell of it. The same thing happens with "driving while black". The data who cops choose to stop, and what happened when stopped is out there. The conclusion by looking at 90 million traffic stops over the last decades in the US is rather straightforward that the "joke" ends up to be true. I've sourced this, together with 4 other sources that point out that cops flat out apply systemic racism.

The data who cops arrest is simply not reliable to make any kinds of conclusion what ethnicity ends up being more criminal.
It's also not as if anybody has ever heard that the black skin color genes causes those people to be more criminal or something.

 

uh... first part.... "while white people do equal to the same amount of crime"... that's about drugs related crime.
So there is driving while black and drugs that we know for sure that cops apply systemic racism.
And because of that, you simply can't trust any other figure. Cops are simply to racist to be reliable.
Lets for arguments sake believe they do it without realizing it...

 

Wrong. Think about that comment. It’s uninformed. Blacks are 12% of the population. Whites and browns are 88%. Blacks are not more often arrested all over the US. It’s mathematically impossible.

white people participate in more crime through the US and they are arrested more for it. You’re confusing rates and localities with actuality and absolutes in total values.

 

Wrong. That’s an untrue blanket statement. It’s locality, training and situationally dependent.

 

The fbi supported programs offer funding for decades to states to unify all law enforcement. Out if the thousands of contacts between police and public everyday, 99% are adjudicated with no racial bias. Keep that in mind.

 

I already sourced it's true. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...raffic-stops-new-evidence-racial-bias-n980556
Stanford states that when pulled over, that whites end up statistically the more criminal ethnicity, but black people are pulled over more.
And so driving while black is a true phenomena, applied by cops, yet is unfounded.

Human rights Watch and the Hamilton projected looked at the drugs.
And they came with a similar conclusion.


Oh I bet you never even bothered to look it up.

 

First it’s not unfounded in the eyes if a cop.
The majority actions always exist because of training. The bias actions are even by black officers….why ? They were trained to.
I was a cop for ten years and this statement at the end is correct.
Your own article back what I said. The stats are incomplete because of lack of participation and…”We're conscious of that potential bias, to train against it, recruit against it, and promote against it," Pasco said. "Very few of the researchers have ever been out in a patrol car in the middle of the night and know what it's like."

Riding officers always take ques from training officer. Appearance of racial bias is a recruitment, training and expectation issue. You can have all black cops and with the particular training, racial bias would appear.m

 

You're quoting a person with a rank of "executive director" having an opposite opinion about an academic research from a high end university about how his own employers behave. Does it look like I care about opinions, or care about your alleged personal experience? You need to do a lot better quoting a persons opinion vs my academic research from Stanford.

You even called academic research from a high end university to be an "untrue blanket statement". You're out of line.

 

Nothing to do with your source!

 

@dagosa, I NEVER thought that we would agree on ANYTHING! You're not as much of a leftist as I thought!

 

It " only" says that cops arrest black people at a far more often than black people, and have been at it for decades like that.
You claimed my sources did not say who was selling drugs, for over a month.
So does it look like I care about your opinion now?

You've not provided sources any sources disputing mine.
Due to an absence of this, I will just consider this trolling and defaulting on what I proved.

 

I'm simply stating a FACT: that your sources do not saying ANYTHING about systemic racism! If systemic racism was what the article was referring to, then why the hell was it not mentioned even ONCE?

 

I posted a source how cops arrest black people at far greater numbers over drugs while white people simply do equal to even more drug related crime. Cops do this all over the country, and it shows in all the stats as far as they can trace back. In no way are you able to deny this is systemic racism. It fits the definition perfectly. And so I do not care about you question why a specific word is not mentioned in the article.

 

No mention of white people doing equal to even more drug related crime. Only drug use and drug sales.

The specific word not mentioned in the article is RACISM!

 

You denied it was about selling drugs when I resourced it. And you were wrong as usual. Something about words you can't find and not being able to understand texts.

I see you're not refuting that that the definition of systemic racism fits perfectly, and moving on to something else.

It remains so that I proved that systemic racism happens on a big scale in the US people working in the field of law and order... with 6 high end sources. While you endlessly failed to debunk it. You got no source disputing this even.

 

No I did NOT deny that it was about selling drugs. I just said that it wasn't about the total, absolute number of drug crimes committed. There's also the UNSOLVED drug crime, but you only seem to care about unsolved MURDER! DOUBLE STANDARD!

By YOUR standard the definition of systemic racism fits perfectly.

NONE of which talk about systemic racism. And again, racism DOES exist in the police and criminal justice system.

 

They also include the unsolved drug crime, by research. So there is no double standard.
/facepalm.

I did not make up any definition, yet the definition fits perfectly. Something you can't deny.

 

No, your sources do NOT include the unsolved drug crime. If they do, then you will be able to quote from them!

You didn't make up any definition, but you DID make up a standard by which you believe that the definition of systemic racism fits what your sources say.

 

Why should I quote them, when you quoted the surveys in this thread yourself that are used as data about the drug crime?
Them surveys done among the people are mirrored with what the police ends up doing,... and that's where they point at a massive difference.
You still don't seem to get it. lol

I did not make up a standard. You're simply unable to dispute that the definition of institutionalized racism fits perfectly of what in this case Human Rights Watch mention. They just write it down as racially disparate. Do note that you childishly went that low that since the exact word of "racism" is missing wrongfully hinting it would mean something. You simply lost the argument in a humiliatingly way.

 

We're talking about UNSOLVED drug crime. Where is that mentioned in the surveys?

What definition of "institutionalized racism" are you using?

Yes and "racially disparate" does NOT mean racist!

You don't think that it's significant that it doesn't mention racism, if that is what you claim it is saying?

 

The survey is about what the ppl did. It's not about if they got arrested. And I will no longer respond to this nonsense of yours.
You keep attempting to poke holes in the research as if it wasn't done correctly. I will not go forth with these shenanigans.

Go look up this yourself if you do not understand some English words.

When they conclude that there distinct inconsistent difference between how cops deal with races, then of course it's racist.
It seems you do not understand English well enough to follow this.

 

Yes, which has precisely NOTHING whatsoever to do with UNSOLVED drug crime!

So there's only ONE definition of "institutionalized racism?" And this is not a WORD, it is a PHRASE, which refers to an IDEA! It's not as if it can be found in the dictionary!

And YET, the articles do not mention "racist!"

 

There is an utterly massive difference between the survey and the solved crime, so of course the survey is about unsolved crime.
That's exactly how the institutionalized racism is proven to be imbedded in the police / US justice department

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/institutionalized-racism


And so it remains that I have proven that racism is institutionalized in the US police / US justice department.
You got no source to dispute this.