WATCH: Protesters Forcing Their Way Into Fed Building Looks Pretty 'Insurrection-Like'

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  1. Moolk

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    what are you ranting about
     
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    The biggest difference is no one on the left is saying "you're very loved," like Trump did.
     
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    the truth is already out there, even his daughter had to tell daddy the right thing to do
     
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    Really? I tried hard not to use words beyond 2 syllables when I wrote this.
     
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    The bottom line is that it is all about Trump hate, and the rationale fear that he will wipe the floor with the democrats in 2022 and 2024, and set the table for an eight year run of another candidate who will continue dismantling the democrat party which has splintered off from the values that made America strong.
    Democrats still to this day have no credible national replacement for Harris and they have no infrastructure of talent for fixing the cascade of screw up’s of Biden.
     
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    Did you get the same crappy crystal ball that I did from Amazon?
     
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    Nope. I just know how the pieces fit together.
     
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    That's when it wasn't working--when the pieces fit together.
     
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    False he did the right thing himself. And yet the irrational left still pretend he is in the wrong lol.
     
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    You arent making any sense.
     
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    So the attacks on government building during all the 2020 riots weren't insurrections. They were just "summers of love?" Try to keep things as non partisan as possible.
     
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    have you done your own research? neither hydroxychloroquine nor ivermectin have any particular effect on coronavirus.

    on jan 6 trump and an cadre of his henchmen including trump jr, rudy, mo brooks and the pillow guy whipped a crowd of militia, supremacists, and q nuts into a frenzy and sent them to the capital to hang the vice president and as many congresscritters as they could catch. did i get that wrong? i watched it real time on c span and have been paying attention to the guilty pleas.

    right wingers appear to be capable of arranging for the sodomy of their own daughters in order to advance their theories of sex and gander.

    systemic racism? did i miss the chapter in american history where jefferson's slave forcedhim to have sex and whipped him if he wasn't damn good at it?

    every word that i have heard from your god emperor or his henchmen is straight, unedited, real time from c span.

    what mass sick out are you talking about? we are in the midst of a quiet general strike . americans will return to work when we reach an agreement on wages and working conditions, including covid safety. sorry about your cheap chinese christmas presents maybe next year.
     
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    A) one does not excuse the other and they will sit in jail IF and I repeat IF the judge deems them a threat to society
    B) were they chanting to hang Mike Pence or making other death threats while this is going on?
    C) was the purpose of their actions an attempt to overthrow a legitimate government?

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insurrection
     
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    Here is where you went wrong.

    You took one riot and compared them to thousands of protests. Not riots. Protests. By doing that you set up an equation that had to deal with all of the protests that involve Trump supporters also. Otherwise it would be skewed in favor of the thousands of protests no matter what happened, baring what could possibly be considered the start of a civil war that is. If you had just used one riot and compared it to 1/6 then you would have at least appeared to try and be fair and equal. But the problem with that is that you could pick and choose among all the BLM riots that happened. Which means that you could just pick the one that had the smallest effect while ignoring the one with the largest effect. Which would, again, be purposefully skewing the results in your favor. Cherry picking however usually gets spotted and called out on rather quickly.

    You could of course compare all of the riots that were done by Trump supporters vs the riots done by BLM. But that too would skew the results. Only this time the favor of would fall to those that support Trump. Because there was only one riot attributed to Trump supporters.

    So, perhaps the most accurate way to figure out who actually committed the worst "transgressions" would be to compare all protests and riots together.

    Problem with that... "worst" can be subjective. Many on the left consider what happened as an insurrection. Surely that is worse?

    And that is why those on the left are trying to push the "insurrection" charge. They know that by making that claim that is the only way to make the opposition seem worse than they are. Because going strictly by objective measures such as lives lost, injuries, and damage done in dollars....Jan 6 would not even be a blip when compared the same way with all the BLM riots.

    Of course if we were to go strictly by the definition of "insurrection" then 1/6 would not be considered such. Insurrection requires intent. And per the FBI they found no intent. LINK: HMKP-117-GO00-20210902-SD004.pdf (house.gov) Even with the few conspiracies to commit crime that they found there was no intent to overthrow or delay the government as the ones that did so only planned as far as getting into the building and had no plans after that. It is for that reason that no one has been charged with insurrection. Because they wouldn't be able to prove it because there is no evidence of it.

    But, that is of course only for the Justice system. The Court of Public Opinion however is a different matter. It heavily relies on emotion. And most facts are ignored. And that is the one that those on the left are speaking to. As that is what will, they hope, keep them in power. And make no mistake. This IS about staying in power. Nothing more. Nothing less. They have GOT to make the opposition seem as if they are the worst scum of the Earth. Otherwise they will lose power and the opposition will gain it. Why do you think both sides constantly call each other various derogatory things? Racist. *******. Xenophobic. Woke Crazies. The list is endless. Its all designed to make the opposition to look bad. Do those words apply to each party? As a whole, NO. If those words apply at all they would only apply to the extremists on each side. But that doesn't mean each side won't apply it generally. Because each side wants power. Frankly if I were to ever hear of one single election taking place where both sides didn't insult each other and try to make the opposition seem as worse as possible I would consider such as proof of God's existence. Because that is the only way that its going to happen. If God intervenes.
     
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    No. If Moolk had said "Trump gatherings are generally less violent than BLM gatherings" you would be right. But he didn't. He said the capitol gathering was a minor riot. He referred to a single event. So I'm comparing how violent that single event was with an average of BLM events.

    Consider this math problem:

    Person 1 has $140
    8700 other people have between them $2000

    Question 1: How much money on average does a person in the group of 8700 have?
    Question 2: Is this more or less than $140?

    You're effectively saying, "No, there are other people with money too that should be averaged with Person 1". That's nonsensical. Why suddenly introduce a new element into the equation?
     
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    And by doing so you are skewing the results. I already explained to you why. That you are doubling down means that you are purposefully doing so.

    Take your example and reverse it. Its just as nonsensical and is exactly what you are doing.
     
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    By doing what I am skewing the results? And show me what you mean by reversing my example.
     
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    Yes, you're comparing one instance of a riot to thousands of protests. The LEAST you could have done to make it at least seem fair would have been to compare it to another riot. As I said in my first post. But you're not. You're comparing it to all protests. By doing that you are skewing the results. Perhaps re-read that post of mine. A bit more slowly this time as this has already been explained.

    Even @Moolk did not try and compare all protests done by those on the right to one riot done by those on the left.
     
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    Did you even read what I wrote in my first response to you? I am not comparing the average violence of Trump vs BLM events. I'm responding to Moolk's claim about a single event, by seeing if on average that single event is more or less violent than the BLM protests he abhors. This is not complicated. If you still don't understand after this, I'm not going over it again. What's the point? Moolk said the capitol riot was a minor riot. I'm examining that claim. Reversing it makes no sense unless i say "This particular BLM riot wasn't very violent". By all means, then examine that claim against an average of Trump events.
     
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    Got to admit, is ritwingers do it much better than those yuppies
     
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    dupe
     
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    Another way of putting it - how do we know if it has been an unusually hot day? We compare the temperature of that day against the average for that time of year - a single data point against an average. Moolk said the capitol riot was minor - a single data point. I'm examining if it is more or less violent against an average. Same thing, mathematically speaking.
     
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