Putin brags Russia's new hypersonic missiles 'can wipe out US cities' sparking WW3 fears

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    You are talking about the Communist IDEAL... but many have tried to get there... and have been in many wars.
     
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    Bravo! :applause::applause::applause: I am sorry that I cannot give you 100 likes.
     
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    The difference is the USA does it to help countries gain independence from oppressive governments China and Russia do it too become more powerful and oppressive government.

    Do you complain about us doing what we did to defeat Nazi Germany?

    You know they almost conquered the world right. If it wasn't for just a few tiny strategies and a few tiny strategic wonders by the third range you'd be speaking German right now.
     
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    Yeah... at West Point we learned that laws Congress passes are LAW... not some forum poster's opinion. If the Supreme Court let's it stand... it REMAINS LAW.
    Odd concepts for the radicals that want to make law by themselves and post it on internet forums.
     
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    You are the one hallucinating -- as I never claimed you said anything about 88% .. That you are obvlivious to the fact that we reduced nuclear stockpiles by 88% - is perhaps the reason you are so confused.

    Clearly there are folks that do know that a first strike could not take out enough of our nukes such that we would not be able to wipe out Russia -- hence why we reduced our nuclear arsenal by 88%

    Did you think our Nuclear experts are a bunch of morons - is this what your "Crazy imagination" thinks - or is it perhaps that the suggestion that nuclear war is winnable that is "Crazy" .. aka "MAD"
     
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    Abject silliness - The reverse is true mate -- most of the time the US is the one aiding the Oppressive Gov't .. trying to turn nations into Strict Sharia Vunderland - and/or training and supporting the soldiers of death squad dictators.

    Your lips are purple from sipping too much of that State Sponsored Kool-aid.
     
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    If you can prove what a first strike will definitely do or not do, I urge you to let the Dept of Defense know... immediately. They have speculated about it for years. Please share your new knowledge. You seem to have insights that our best experts have been wrestling with for years. Please share with them.
     
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    Okay so what were the names of the vassal States of America again I can't ever remember.
     
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    Blue states that shut down schools, beaches, businesses... that stay home and obey. They wear masks and stay at a distance. I bet they'd yell "How High?" as they leaped if their masters told them to jump. We watch them here, amazed that Americans can be so submissive.
     
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    Who said anything about vassal states ? You were claiming some nonsense about the US helping nations secure independence from oppressive Gov'ts -- when the reverse is true.

    How many examples would you like ?
     
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    In the USSR, nuclear charges were developed, which were installed in places of tectonic faults near the coast of the United States. (In such, for example, as San Andrea). The idea is to detonate these charges in the X-hour and move the tectonic fault to the required stage. Cause giant tsunamis and earthquakes along the US coast.
    A giant wave and earthquake is expected to destroy the coastal cities of the United States.
    Given the fact that so many industrial centers in the United States are located along the coast, such actions will cause the collapse of the life support of the United States. Also, if you launch a nuclear strike of sufficient power at Yellowstone and provoke a volcanic eruption ... in general, there are many ways to defeat the United States without causing severe nuclear pollution.
    (Especially under the rule of the Democrats.)
    In this respect, Russia compares favorably with the United States.
    First, almost the entire territory of Russia is located on old and very strong basal faults. That is, it is not prone to earthquakes to the same extent as the United States.
    Secondly, the main industrial and agricultural centers are located far from maritime borders. And Strong tsunamis or other water elements are safe for them.
    Third, (the legacy of the USSR) Russia has a very well-developed social infrastructure. Russians can easily get to anywhere in the country without a personal car. Accordingly, under martial law, when energy reserves are limited, the Russians, even in the smallest cities, can easily move by public transport and have an excellent network of distribution points for food, medications, hygiene products and other vital products.
    And if you take into account the fact that Russians have always fought, then they already have in their genetic code the ability to survive and form into communities.
     
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    The destruction from nuclear weapons has been proven many times -- including dropping a couple on a few cities.

    I don't need to let the Defense Dept know about "MAD" -- as they reduced stockpiles by 88% - so clearly they already do know -- you being the one out of the loop with your nonsense assertions that nuclear war is winnable.

    Did you think the DOD reduced stockpiles by 88% because we didn't have enough to retaliate after a first strike Is that what you thought mate ?
     
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    Okay right so no vassel States. What were the names of the countries that we have set up colonies in again?
    I don't think you understand what this means. The opposite of independence from oppressive governments is subservience to oppressive governments so list these oppressive governments that we have created to rule over our vassel States. If it's not to rule over our vassel States is it just to be mean
    A single vessel state which you said we don't have any would be nice but you've already let the cat out of the bag haven't you.
     
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    The only conflict between SOCIALIST countries is the border conflict between China and Vietnam in 1979 (if I am not mistaken).
    The conflict ended quickly. There were no more conflicts, let alone wars, between the socialist countries.
     
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    Never said anything about setting up colonies -- or vassel states .. you are confused once again. Nor did I say we did not have any vassel states .. so you are hopelessly confused.

    Your claim that the US was freeing nations from oppressive Gov'ts .. what I said was the reverse is true. You wanting to call the US supporting oppressive regimes "Colonization" is also confused .. Syria was not colonization - - nor Iraq - nor Guatemala - nor El Salvador - nor East Timor -- and so on.

    All however, are examples of US supporting oppressors. Do try to understand that supporting an oppressive regime is not necessarily "Colonization" - and do try to figure out that supporting death squad dictators is not freeing people from oppressive Gov'ts.
     
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    I don't think it's me that's confused here. You said America does the opposite of helping Nations become independent but then you said they don't do the opposite of that so you have to make up your mind

    Figure out what the hell you're talking about and then get back to me when you do.

    So far all of your posts amount to the same level of logic is Pee-wee Herman.
     
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    I never said the US doesn't do the opposite of helping nations become independent .. quit making up falsehoods and attributing them to others - in true "Pee-wee Herman" fashion because you can not deal with the fact that your claim is preposterous nonsense.

    The US has spent most of its time supporting oppression - not freeing people from oppression -- and you were given numerous example - but remain in blissfull denial . which is also kind of like "Pee Wee"

    So mate -- don't be projecting your "Pee wee" attributes onto others.
     
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    Yes, everyone knows about MAD. But nuke war doesn't have to mean total destruction. When I was stationed in Germany, we had a very detailed plan utilizing nukes in certain instances, to defend Europe. One of the assumptions was that it would remain limited to Europe as the USA didn't want to lose New York and Russia didn't want to lose Moscow. Your views are very simplistic. War, and life in general... is much more complex than you would would have it.
     
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    Sort it out then get back to me.
     
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    True. Traditionally, if you saw a socialist country at war, it was at the behest of their Russian or Chinese masters.
     
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    You are the one with the "Simplistic" view -- having no clue what you are talking about - nor what the conversation is about.

    The claim you walked into was that the US would not be "wiped out" by Russia's 6400 missiles .. Russia having some nuclear war with Europe has no bearing on the issue .. nor does it have any bearing on the first strike rabbit hole you wandered down.

    What is simplistic - is you thinking that we reduced our nuclear arsenal by 88% - because the DOD thought we did not have enough to survive a first strike .. What is simplistic is you trying to maintain this nonsense position by talking about an unrelated war in Europe.

    You are the one that clearly does not understand the complexities of nuclear war -- quit projecting your failings onto others.

    Do you have any clue how a first strike is carried out ? -- Surely you must having been in the militery .. any clue at all mate ? -- Let me try to assist.

    Step 1) Our military and communication satellites are taken out - along with various long range strategic radar installations located outside of the US.

    Step 2) conduct a few high altitude blasts over the US -- to decimate the electrical grid and anything else electical

    Step 3) now pay attention - The Objective - is to render the US incapable of significant retaliation - so you have to send over enough nukes to take out some 3000 US nukes ..

    How many nukes do you figure that would take .. and what would be left of the US to occupy after given that roughly 200 nukes turns the entire continental US into a radioactive waste-land - and Russia has just sent thousands.

    After which .. you are going to get destroyed anyway if even just one nuclear sub is left standing ..

    What you are talking is "simplistic" nonsense -- Still waiting for an explanation of how you think the DOD figured it was OK to reduce stockpiles by 88%...

    This is as simple as it gets - The reason we were able to reduce by 88% - is because the 12% left is thought - at least by the DOD - to be way more than enough to annihilate Russia - plenty left over after any concievable first strike.
     
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    You are the one that needs to "Sort it out" .. your claim that the US is busy freeing people from oppressive Gov'ts is preposterous nonsense.

    Clear enough for you ?
     
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    Based on...?
     
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    Based on the fact that the US has spent most of its foreign policy time supporting oppressive Gov'ts - not freeing the people from these Gov'ts.

    What part did you not get the first 3 times ?
     
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    I only have your insistence I just simply don't believe you.

    It's not that I didn't get it it's that you're full of it.
     

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