Alec Baldwin kills one,inures another with Prop Gun on set.

As you said, it changes from State to State. The first words in my post were Florida law, and the second was Michigan. Neither mention "accidental", because it is not considered a crime.

I don't think there was a 2nd shot. The round traveled through her body and stuck the guy behind him.

Other than that I agree with what you say about the situation.

Been to Panama many times too, but not like that.

 

Let’s see if I have this straight. I can set up a legitimate business and pay someone to keep my firearms “safe” for me. If I ever shoot someone and kill them I get off because it wasn’t my responsibility to safely handle the firearm? This is clown shoes crazy.

 

Prayers to the families of the brutal assault by Alex Baldwin. This man is a menace. He likely should live out his days rotting in a jail.

 

You can become an actor who gets paid for shooting off prop-guns, and if the people responsible for firearm safety screws up, its probably going be their fault.

If you drive in NASCAR and the the pit crew puts water in your gas tank, they'll probably get blamed for your blown race.

Baldwin should have checked the firearm, but apparently he doesn't know the first thing about them, so he probably didn't even know how to do that.

 

Accidental is not included because there is no such thing as accidental discharge of a firearm. It is considered negligent discharge.

 

Negligent discharge exists in law books, and it can lead to a charge, but accidental discharges are not crimes. I already explained this in the post you replied to.

 

Absolutely. Someone hands you a firearm, you check right then.

Someone is dead who should be alive.

 

Alex seems to have committed, at the very least negligent homicide. That has so real jail time in NM. I suspect a jury won' find him very sympathetic.

The very first thing you do when you get handed a hand gun, or gun of any time is CLEAR IT. I don't trust anyone for a second. Had Alex done one simply check of the weapon, he would have discovered and removed the live round. His negligence killed one and seriously injured another. Rotting in jail seems pretty appropriate.

 

He pointed it and pulled the trigger. There is nothing "accidental" about that.

 

Its good to know that so many law professors can spend their entire days on on an internet forum defending a reckless democrat killer.

 

Next defense - it was his finger's fault...

 

Perhaps we'll get to see the viagra defense.....

 

It was not to long ago Baldwin was saying about a police officer mockingly......"how does it feel to kill an innocent unarmed citizen"???? That officer was acquitted of any wrongdoing, but now Alec knows how it feels! I feel extremely bad for the victims, but not Alec. His liberal friends are crying the blues for him.

 

Actors are hired to point guns and pull triggers in movie sets. Duh!

Its an accident no matter how much you dislike the guy. It could have been easily avoided, but it happened.

 

So only actors can pass responsibility for firearm safety to others? I can’t do it without being an actor? Can you cite law that allows actors to engage in a business transaction where money is exchanged for eliminating or transferring personal responsibility of firing a weapon at another human? It seems strange actors can absolve themselves of responsibility while others can not.

Who dies from water in the gas tank? I would blame myself for hiring morons for pit crew. Or for driving for an owner who hires morons for pit crew.

LOL. He knows how to point it at someone, **** it if the reports of model are correct, and pull the trigger—but is too ignorant to safety check it? Sorry. I can’t shoot someone and expect to get off without consequences because I’m dumb or ignorant. Insanity can be a plea, but not stupidity or ignorance. Like I said, this is clown shoes ridiculous.

 

Hmmm... so stupid shouldn't be accountable? Is that your contention here? And if accountability is being punished by the law, that clearly defines the acts covered as crime, including pointing a loaded weapon at someone else and pulling the trigger, then what? Stupid get's a pass? Because you "like" the guy? Laughable.

 

I’m “hired” to point guns at things and pull triggers. Doesn’t absolve me of personal responsibility just because I’m paid to shoot stuff.

 

No, not only actors. If you are interested in firearms, you can take a class, and during that class the instructor is responsible for firearm safety and its his job to tell you about it too. As a matter of fact, he gets paid to do so. If he just hands everyone a loaded gun and said its unloaded and you fire off a round, he would be in trouble. Same it true in the military, because initially firearm safety is the trainers responsibility. Who do you think would be responsible if they just handed out loaded M16s to everyone the first day, and said they are all good and empty, and then someone goes full-auto?

I'm sorry, I didn't realize this is such a complicated issue to some people.

Your words, not mine. And no, I don't like, or dislike the guy. I know practically nothing about him, but I think he was ok in move "The Edge", which was about a bear in Alaska.

You are paid to shoot prop-guns?

Maybe its best to wait and see what happens. If he is charged with a crime, then so be it. I don't know why you are so emotional about this.

 

I do. My very liberal neighbor spends time regularly at the range.

 

The ONLY reason all the cons are calling for Baldwin's head is because he made fun of Trump. He blasphemed the Yellow God and now must PAY.

Truly, Trumpers put the "V" in vindictive

 

Complicated? If an instructor isn’t FIRST instructing the student to ALWAYS safety check a weapon NO MATTER WHO HANDS IT TO THEM they are a piss poor instructor who should be digging ditches not doing ANY sort of firearm instruction.

This is getting even more ridiculous. Apparently you know nothing of actual firearm safety. Sad. The trigger puller is ALWAYS responsible. Every time. No exceptions. For actors or anyone else. Being paid to use firearms is completely irrelevant.

So no law giving actors rights I don’t have as someone in a different business where I get paid to point guns and pull triggers?

 

Alec Baldwin was a piece of **** WAY before Trump ever got involved in politics.

 

Yes, poor instructor indeed, and he would be held responsible. At a movie set the armorer is responsible for securing the weapon, AND instructing the actors and stunt men, and if they fail to instruct, they they are piss poor armorer.

I am quite familiar, actually, and a pretty good shot.

I just gave you few valid examples.

Why not wait and see what happens? They are investigating it. I couldn't care less what happens to that guy, and I can't help but wonder why you are so emotional about it.

 

No. You pay me to shoot animals.

Not emotional. Just pointing out there is no law giving actors a right I don’t have. Just pointing out actors don’t get a free pass on negligence nobody else gets. You think being an actor gives him some immunity from personal responsibility. I don’t. My position is one based on the law, facts, and logic. It seems your position is the emotional one, giving different people different standards based on how you feel about them.

If you can show me a law giving actors immunity from responsibility when shooting others I’ll retract the comments about your position being emotionally driven.

 

Here's a snippet from an article that illuminates the circumstances of Baldwin's shooting a bit more:

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-very-careful-prop-guns-rust-accidental-shooting

"working to set up a shot" doesn't sound like the right time to be squeezing the trigger. I suspect a negligent discharge, rather than a deliberate and intentional act of discharging the firearm while it was pointed at Hutchins. Baldwin's still an idiot, and still owns at least some of the blame for the shooting, but the description in the article goes a bit further in illuminating the circumstances around Baldwin's shoooting than I had seen previously.