What does Critical Race Theory teach?

I understand completely why you studiously avoid discussing the reasons for the stats you cite. It's uncomfortable for you to talk about.

 

Informative interview for the misinformed.................https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/...g-1619-as-america-s-origin-point-126400581613

 

Do you intend to keep your head under the covers until the monsters go away?
". . . CRT rejects democracy as a “relic of Enlightenment reason,” Guelzo says, and argues that White people “use tricks like democracy and the search for truth … to exploit and oppress and dominate people of color.” Don’t take his word for it. Richard Delgado and Jean Stefancic, authors of “Critical Race Theory: An Introduction,” state that “critical race theory questions the very foundations of the liberal order, including equality theory, legal reasoning, Enlightenment rationalism, and neutral principles of constitutional law.”. . . "

 

The danger of critical race theory
Opinion by Marc A. Thiessen
". . . For advocates of CRT, the only solution to systemic oppression is the “inversion of color power,” Guelzo explains. So while most Americans oppose racial discrimination, critical race theory embraces it. Ibram X. Kendi, one of CRT’s leading advocates, openly declares: “The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.”. . . ."

 

Are you still insisting?

Look.... it cannot be clearer. The study YOU presented to demonstrate there is a racial disparity among criminal offenders concludes that that there is NO EVIDENCE of a racial disparity among criminal offenders.

YES! AGAIN: you quoted the hypothesis. And the study concludes that the hypothesis does not correspond to the facts. Even worse, you quoted the hypothesis from the Abstract (an "Abstract" is the summary of the whole study). And on the very same paragraph the researchers state that that hypothesis is not supported by evidence. But you eliminated that part from your quote.

THAT is "cherry picking".

 

I agree it says little to nothing about what is actually occurring. It only talks to what is NOT occurring. But at least the poster TRIED. Nobody else has even tried to show any evidence whatsoever that blacks actually COMMIT more crimes than white people.

 

I can't say for sure, but I HOPE he misinterpreted it. Because if he omitted on purpose the part where the authors say that there is no evidence to support what he quoted, then we are talking about something way worse.

 

Well, Lee... when you mash all the air bubbles out of it, which 'perp' (of ANY color), once caught by the police, charged, tried, and convicted, would have gotten into that lamentable situation if only they hadn't COMMITTED A CRIME IN THE FIRST PLACE...?! .

Now, I tried to find a UCR table newer than 2017, but this is the latest one there is (for whatever reason): https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43

So, who commits the most crime in the United States? According to statistics, it is Caucasian ("White") persons.

And, who commits the most crime in the United States on a per capita basis? According to statistics, it is Negro ("Black") persons.

Hint: Negroes make up approximately 13% - 15% of the U. S. population, whereas Caucasians make up ~76%.... Link: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045219

But you ask, "Why?" Who the hell knows, Lee...? And, again, when you mash all the 'peripherals' out of it, what difference does it really make?! If you break the law and end up in prison, you've got only yourself to blame!

 

Your arguments are really irrelevant. It’s fun to watch you blabbering on a forum and losing your argument in the real world.

 

Hi, Golem, I just finished a reply to your buddy, Lee Atwater, in my Post #1708 (above). Please refer to it... it's pretty much my last attempt to 'tilt at this windmill', except to say to anyone who wants to stay out of prison, "Don't commit crimes and you won't ruin your life!"

 

You brought up a study that concludes that there is NO evidence of racial disparity in crimes committed. I think @Lee Atwater is quite capable of understanding that conclusion much better than you.

However, if you insist that there IS such disparity, and that it's not due to systemic racism, you SHOULD be prepared to explain why it exists. And you seem to be avoiding that.

I am only aware of the white supremacist interpretation: they say it's genetic. Do you believe that? Is your reluctance to give an answer due to the fact that you do agree with that?

Amazing! You yourself just provided a study that concludes that there is NO evidence of that.

So you deny reality even when YOU who brought it up yourself. Talk about fighting windmills.

 

"Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."

 

I presented Lee with information from the FBI: UCR statistical tables from 2017 (I couldn't find anything newer than that, oddly enough), which I'm sure you also saw.

In its overview, the report states:

"Arrests, by Race and Ethnicity, 2017

In 2017, 68.9 percent of all individuals arrested were White, 27.2 percent were Black or African American, and 3.9 percent were of other races.
Of arrestees for whom ethnicity was reported, 18.1 percent were Hispanic or Latino.
Of all juveniles (persons under the age of 18 arrested in 2017, 61.6 percent were White, 34.9 percent were Black or African American, and 3.5 percent were of other races.
Of juvenile arrestees for whom ethnicity was reported, 21.8 percent were Hispanic or Latino.
Of all adults arrested in 2017, 69.5 percent were White, 26.6 percent were Black or African American, and 3.9 percent were of other races.
Of adult arrestees for whom ethnicity was reported, 17.8 were Hispanic or Latino.
White individuals were arrested more often for violent crimes than individuals of any other race and accounted for 58.5 percent of those arrests.
Of adults arrested for murder, 52.5 percent were Black or African American, 44.8 percent were White, and 2.8 percent were of other races.
Black or African American juveniles comprised 50.9 percent of all juveniles arrested for violent crimes. White juveniles accounted for 56.2 percent of all juveniles arrested for property crimes.
Of juveniles arrested for drug abuse violations, 74.3 percent were White.
White juveniles comprised 54.2 percent of juveniles arrested for aggravated assault and 57.4 percent of juveniles arrested for larceny-theft."

Again, Golem, we MUST analyze all crime statistics from the standpoint of racial participation on a PER CAPITA basis, or else the stats mean nothing. You also must have seen the reference I shared with Lee showing the breakout of the races on a percentage basis. Now, what is it that you don't understand?

Lastly, somewhat back on topic, it would be helpful for everyone concerned if those who advocate "Critical Race Theory" would at least bother to recognize that with the adoption of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, America changed dramatically for the BETTER, forever!

Prior to those monumental legal achievements, Black-Americans were definitely discriminated against in a very cold, callous, deliberate way (I'm an old guy, Golem, I saw a lot of it with my own eyes). But, AFTER 1965, all American citizens were truly and fully EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW. Those who bellyache endlessly with their catechism of 'white-guilt' will continue to get little traction with most Americans until they are more willing to confront statistical FACTS involving crime committed by ALL races, on a PER CAPITA basis. After all, Golem, this is 2021... not 1963....

 

Possibly because 1/5 of the population of the US was bound in slavery at the time of the founding. Meaning we were "founded on the ideas of democracy and the practice of slavery." Something that has had a profound impact on this country to this day. Certainly you haven't forgotten that racial discrimination was essentially legal until 1968...........have you?

 

I understand completely why you studiously avoid discussing the reasons for the stats you cite. It's uncomfortable for you to talk about.
Let me ask a specific question. Are black people inherently more predisposed to crime than whites?

 

Oh... I see. So you didn't present @Lee Atwater with the study you threw at ME that concludes that THAT is not evidence that black people commit more crimes.

Exactly!!!!! "Arrests". My case is, yet again, made!

You quoted a study that you hadn't read thoroughly. You also quoted the OP. Did you read THAT? CRT has nothing to do with discrimination in a deliberate way. But the OP already clarified that. So THIS, plus the fact that you are still quoting "arrests" make it obvious that you didn't read it. Why didn't you start there?

 

In fair and honest reply to your question, no, I do not believe that any racial group or sub-group is "inherently more predisposed to crime".

If I believed that, then, based on the statistics in the tables I presented earlier, I'd have to say that American Caucasians ("Whites") are the most 'predisposed' to committing crimes -- if only because they commit the MOST crimes of any race in this country. The flaw in such a hypothetical conclusion jumps out any rational person, and I'm sure you see what I mean.

There are genetic and physical differences between the races of humanity, and that has been amply proven over many decades, but none which speak to a 'predisposition' to committing crimes.... And that's part of why I keep harping on the towering importance of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, Lee.

Since those days, here in the United States, it can be honestly stated that all American citizens are EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW. We differ in many ways from each other, including physical makeup, economic background, education, emotional attitudes, IQ, ability to adapt to changing economic situations, and many others -- but it can never be denied that we are all equal before the LAW, and, as citizens-in-good-standing of a Constitutional Federal Republic, based specifically on the Constitution of the United States, nothing else really matters....

 

There’s Now A Bounty On Teachers Who Dare To Touch Race Issues In Classroom

New Hampshire Gov. Chris Sununu (R) signed a bill into law this summer that is, essentially, the legal manifestation of right-wing efforts to intimidate educators away from teaching students about issues like systemic racism and modern racial tensions in public schools. After the law passed, the New Hampshire Department Of Education launched a new website for parents and students to file complaints against teachers for alleged discriminatory curriculum, according to New Hampshire Public Radio.

The website has been in place since shortly after the bill was signed into law. But a prominent right-wing mothers group recently upped the ante.

The New Hampshire chapter of the conservative group Moms For Liberty recently tweeted out a statement, encouraging people to use the state tool to report teachers and even offered a bounty to the first person to lodge a successful complaints against an educator. And it comes at a time when certain Lone Star State citizens are being offered something similar — cash rewards for snitching on anyone involved in the process of getting an abortion post-six weeks of pregnancy.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/prime...rs-who-dare-to-touch-race-issues-in-classroom

The Right has exactly what it wanted all along. A full blown culture war issue to get out the vote with..........as they did in VA.

 

I appreciate your sincere response. Which leads me to follow up by asking what point were you trying to make by posting the crime stats?

 

Perhaps this is really the crux of our disagreement, Golem, because I sincerely believe that discrimination by one American citizen against another American citizen FOR NO REASON AT ALL is, all ALL cases, VERY 'deliberate'! And it is detestable, un-American, and, legally, forbidden (fortunately) on a very real, national-scale by that same Civil Rights Act, and Voting Rights Act that I keep harping on!

If the effort to inculcate Americans with "CRT" fails, it will be because its proponents have taken the tack of advertising in which, as you say, "CRT has nothing to do with discrimination in a deliberate way". Using that kind of subjectively speculative, unsubstantiated philosophy, few but CRT's acolytes will be convinced....

Discrimination was very, very REAL in this country, Golem... I remember it as it applied to many Americans, but mostly to "Black-Americans". Nothing about it was subtle; everything about it was in-your-face. You didn't have to use your imagination to see it for what it was. But, as I said, fortunately, this is 2021 -- not 1963!

 

Another deletion of a duplicate... the Forum editor software is acting-up today.

 

It really doesn't matter at all that the Founders' practice fell short of their aspiration. The aspiration was the point, and has been at the center of the American experiment from the beginning. As for racial discrimination, it was progressively diminished from 1863 onward, and brought to a final de jure end with the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. That is a history of which to be proud, even while acknowledging the evil that had to be overcome.

 

My point? To present a view on the overall situation, based on recorded facts about which group commits the most crime on a per capita basis.

If, as your friend, Golem, says, "CRT has nothing to do with discrimination in a deliberate way", then surely many of us would prefer to be dealing with something a little less subjective and ephemeral than that... so, what else is there to resort to but statistics, tables, and facts?

 

Everyone says they want parental input until they get some.

 

I'm curious... is any 'advocacy group' driving a similar agenda involving 'CRT-think' in either Great Britain or France today...?

In the overall context of illustrating and promoting doctrines of 'discrimination' -- whether 'deliberate' or 'nondeliberate', it is important to remember that although slavery was not abolished everywhere in the U. S. until 1865, slavery was practiced in Britain until 1833, and in France until 1848.