Is Atheism a logical belief?

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Amen.

    And, thanks for the clarity.
     
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    My quibble to you otherwise good reply is that is a Hypothesis (LINK) as competing explanations exist
     
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    Competing explanations often exist. Plus, I don't know that there can be only one theory that covers a specific question.

    The Big Bang is the explanation that has proven most useful in further exploration, has the least defect and has the most testing. It has not been falsified.

    Like all theories, falsifying the Big Bang may well happen. But, I don't see a way to argue that it isn't a theory that has lasted massive testing for many years.
     
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    I think so too.

    And even if homeopathy was a religion, it still wouldn’t be atheism.
     
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    To be fair, different people define the word differently. Some do define “atheism” as an affirmative belief that gods don’t exist. Others define the word as you do above. This isn’t a problem so long as we know what is meant when any given speaker is using the word.

    Unfortunately when words like this have so many different meanings equivocation can happen, accidentally or purposefully.

    Agnositc is another word this can and does happen with, as any conversation with Kokomojo will show you.
     
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    So many hypotheses, so little time...;)

    I noticed you avoided the second part of my post. Me thinks you didn't see the spoiler there.
     
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    You can't prove that 6million poor Jewish people were gassed in WWII for all of the gold in the universe.
     
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    What can be proven is that not single person in history has ever had any real faith in the Jesus character.
     
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    The Bible has a passage that describes how people create their gods.
     
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    When that was written, it only considered certain White people to be men. Everyone else was excluded.
     
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    If as you say racism can be quantified w/o evidence of racism, then god(s) can be quantified w/o evidence of god(s).:roll:...If you're openminded that is.
     
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    What clear and present evidence of racism is there?...Oh, you mean that lefties are racist...I totally agree with that...I thought you just wanted to castigate righties.:roll:
     
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    Not what I wrote. Read again.
     
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    I thought an atheist couldn't quantify something (whether it be god(s) or racism, for examples) if there is no evidence of something.
    You can't see racism, for example, as heinous if you can't quantify it...Right??
     
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    That's probably because no historian claims 6 million Jews were gassed.
     
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    Truth is truth. It's like an aspiration. Sometimes it takes people awhile to catch up to or conform to it. When Jesus said, "be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect", it was not a condemnation of men for their imperfections. But rather to exhort them to a goal and mission. In point, the shortcomings of Americans are the shortcomings of the people, not of the concepts in our founding documents. That's why we have a constitution, bill of rights, laws, a system of justice and governmental bodies....so as to help keep ourselves in conformity to the ideals of equality in freedom. In all things, including science, is the striving for perfection and understanding. When the Apostle Peter was given a vision to extend the gospel of salvation to all men, Peter gave pause even in the moment of the vision, because they(Jews) thought God to be their God alone, and the Gentiles unclean or strangers in large. The American experience in freedom is similar, imo. All are alike unto God in spite of the fact that we all differ in that to which we are inclined and do love. Such is Gods mercy in abiding our roamings. Not only have our founders blessed us with religious liberty, but the gospel of salvation cannot be forced in any way, regardless the law and right. Therefore our founding documents and our nation are a conformation to the will of God, and a blessing to the people in the ideal.
     
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    Yes you can. You can see something as heinous so long as it exists at all. You don't have to be able to quantify it. Are you telling us racism does not exist at all?
     
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    Can you explain how this post relates to the OP?
     
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    Agnosticism is more an example of a person arguing that “god” can’t be quantified. The tendency is to view the matter very empirically. There is no evidence that there is or is not a god so any further discussion has no value. Either possibility has the same probability.

    I think that others who tend to lean more toward atheism are able to quantify “god” by applying rationalism to the matter. There is no evidence that there is or is not a good but we begin to proportion our belief to the evidence. We think a bit more about which side of the equation is more likely to be true.

    The same might be said of some theists who, having considered the best west to live their lives, make a leap of faith. This is in contrast to other theists who maybe just lead the Christian lifestyle of their families and friends because they are part of that lifestyle and don’t want to be left out. Perhaps the two conditions are not mutually exclusive either.
     
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    If you can't quantify it, you can't prove it exists...or, so says the atheist when it comes to god(s).:roflol:.
     
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    Only if you falsely deny and claim its based in 'faith' I suppose :bounce:
    Someone who disbelieves the existence of G/god(s) lacks belief in God you know. 8)
    I'm waiting!
    Agnosticism rejects both claims as false.
     
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    What does your declaration of clear and present racism have to do with the thread?
     
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    God comes in quantities?
     
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    It's Christianity that claims belief in god is based in faith.

    I just haven't disagreed.
    What are you waiting for?
     
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    Kokomojojo writes:

    "Someone who disbelieves the existence of G/god(s) lacks belief in God you know."

    No they are two different viewpoints

    1) Does not believe in the EXISTENCE of god.

    2) Lacks belief in god.

    Separate meanings.
     
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