The Battle of January 6th Has Just Begun

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    I'll continue to address the topic with documented evidence, while you will desperately try to contrive diversions from it without any, apparently.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    I don't know what protest you are attempting to equate with the Trump goon attack on the Capitol based upon the Loser's lie concerning his fake "Landslide!"

    Locale? Date? Casualty list? Please provide your documentation.


    ... about 15 million to 26 million people in the United States have participated in demonstrations over the death of George Floyd and others in recent weeks. These figures would make the recent protests the largest movement in the country’s history, according to interviews with scholars and crowd-counting experts."

    There are also people who have participated in demonstrations, which have occurred in hundreds of cities, who may have no allegiance to Black Lives Matter, or may even oppose it, and have rioted or committed other acts of violence — making it even more difficult to determine how a violent incident occurred.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...of-black-lives-matter-killed-36-people-injur/
     
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    The Jan 6 events had no lasting effects except for the democrats investigating. There was no possibility of the attack being successful and and changing the result of the election. Government was up and operating within hours.

    Some of the businesses have not opened up from the BLM riots and, of course, those that died are still dead. The democrats show little to no interest in this because there is no political value.

    Ask the citizens of those cities which hurt them the most.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Evidence of what ? you the only one diverting .. spelled it out clear in my post .. what part of protest that got out of hand .. was difficult for you to grasp .. is this what you want evidene for ? Which one .. the Capitol or the BLM protests .. ?

    You want evidence that the Sun is going to rise in the East while we are at it ?
     
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    If you need to contrive some sort of equivalency between the Trump goon attack on the Capitol on January 6, 2021 in a failed attempt, based upon a lie concerning a bogus "Landslide!," to prevent the certification of a U.S. presidential election, when and where did it occur, and what was its objective?

    Please answer When? Where? Who? Why? - all reasonable expectations if you wish to appear serious.
     
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  6. Natty Bumpo

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    Is it your contention that, because the Trump goon arrack to prevent Congress certifying a democratic election failed, all the Trump goons who have been apprehended, indicted, prosecuted, confessed, or convicted should escape justice?
     
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    Just because you are losing the argument is no excuse for making stuff up.
     
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    :roll: (that's more than a Tucker Carlson link deserves.

    Capitol police were exponentially out numbered, some of them decided it was the better part of valor not to resist, some of them were tRump supporters. There are hours of video clearly showing the violence that took place. The damage to the building is lasting testimony to that violence, 140 officers were sent to hospital with serious injuries.

    The initial breaches of OUR Capitol were anything but peaceful, after four hours of rampage I'm sure the insurrectionist got tired and were just walking around. That doesn't change the fact that they came to violently interrupt the 240 year tradition of Peaceful Transfer of Power.

    After stopping the lawful certification of votes and chasing our Senators from their chamber they stopped to pray; how nice.
     
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    Do you have a reliable source, and not an unnamed anonymous source that works for Schumer... If not maybe... you should not post such misleading made up misinformation.
     
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    Appear serious ? Are you seriously claiming you have never heard of the George Floyed Protests .. / BLM ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_during_the_George_Floyd_protests

    All of your questions answered .. now .. how is the above .. not a protest getting out of hand ..in fact was far more destruction done ..orders of magnitude .. far more widespread 2000 cities .. far more of an insurrection.

    your claim that there is no equivalence is correct only in the way that the Floyd protests were far worse ... and it is your equivalence scale that is false.
     
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    Yes, Capitol Rioters Were Armed. Here Are The Weapons Prosecutors Say They Used
    https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/9778...ere-are-the-weapons-prosecutors-say-they-used
    ZAP Hike N Strike 950,000 Volt Stun Gun Walking Stick.
    Bear spray

    Court records and news reports show that many insurrectionists were armed, and several were charged with having firearms on Capitol grounds or stashed nearby while in Washington D.C. In addition, rioters had weapons other than firearms and used them during the attack.
    https://www.statesman.com/story/new...rs-were-armed-guns-documents-show/7963993002/

    This article sums it up.

    Ron Johnson
    stated on February 15, 2021 in a radio interview:
    Says Jan. 6 Capitol riot “didn’t seem like an armed insurrection.”

    If Your Time is short
    • Police stopped only a fraction of the violent protestors Jan. 6, but we still know of guns and explosives seized in and around the Capitol. And we know rioters brought knives, brass knuckles a stun gun and other weapons.
    • Just as notable, video plainly shows the mob using all manner of makeshift weapons to attack police and force their way in, including hockey sticks, flagpoles, fire extinguishers and a police shield stolen from an officer.
    Our ruling
    Johnson said the Jan. 6 Capitol riot "didn’t seem like an armed insurrection."

    That’s ridiculous revisionist history.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...jan-6-capitol-assault-was-armed-insurrection/

    All the comparisons to the 2020 riots, the lie the the Capitol insurrectionists were unarmed, that they were there as peaceful protestors is just that; Revisionist History.

     
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    I see, can you explain what makes my opinions conjured up from an alternative reality? I analyze the same facts you do. The reality should be the same.
     
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    I was only commenting on MY opinions, do you have a guilty conscience? "WE" don't analyze the same facts, I don't listen to MSM as a steady diet. When I do it's because I'm researching an issue.
     
  15. Natty Bumpo

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    It's obvious that those who are still attempting to divert attention from the Trump goon attack to prevent Congress fulfilling its constitutional responsibility to certify a democratic election can't contrive any comparable event as a distraction.
     
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    Not to many on here claim it was anything but a bad thing....it should not have happened. those who were involved need to be prosecuted as needed but to be treated as a US citizen and all their rights observed .. it should not have been allowed to happen as the Capitol police have a bigger budget than most major cities. Non-lethal methods should have been the first option to take down a 5'2 135 lb. woman instead of killing her..Pelosi has Ashli Babbett's blood on her hands and her derilict of duty should be investigated with ALL communication of ALL our political figures that day... Republican and Democrats alike... Flash bangs used to rile a peaceful crowd should have been avoided..

    Will the content of this letter be investigated by the sham committee? Let us see what involvement in the days events ALL our leaders had... not just Trump and a select few that get a misdemeanor thrown at them

    https://republicans-cha.house.gov/sites/republicans.cha.house.gov/files/documents/2-15-2021 Letter to Speaker Pelosi re January 6th.pdf


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    Did no such thing .. you were the one claiming - false equivalency . I just corrected your error. and now you are mumuring unrelated gibberish desperately trying to "divert" and "distract" from your error .. then projecting these failings onto others.

    You asked for "Evidence" for BLM protest equivalence .. a protest that got out of hand .. pertending to be completely unaware of the Floyd protests .. and when given evidence you accuse me of diverting.

    This the best you got mate .. The only thing you can muster to apologize for the Kangaroo Clown Show
     
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    The weird worshippers of one dude are hysterical that hundreds of Trump goons who assaulted outnumbered police defending our democratic institution on January 6 have been apprehended, indicted, and are bing prosecuted, but most of the hapless dupes who swallowed the blowhard loser's big lie did not do so with malice aforethought. In fact, there is scant evidence of any thought at all.

    A mindless, crackpot conspiracy delusion - all 50 states and the District of Colombia colluding to falsify a presidential election via counts, recounts, audits, and dozens of meritless legal appeals that negated an imaginary "Landslide!" - and the Congress of the United States under the auspices of the Vice President then certifying the will of the People - made the dead-enders very, very pissy. A vast, diffuse, multi-faceted, ubiquitous, bipartisan coalition without a single suspect - all being mean to one cry baby loser.

    It would be far more rational, if only slightly more inclusive, to dispense with the expansive paranoia and just rail against the majority of the American electorate who dumped the trump.

    The anti-American extremists who herded and stampeded the Trump goons and pulled their strings demand special scrutiny.
    Subversive right-wing extremists such as Oath Keepers and Three Percenters demand intensive ongoing scrutiny in the interest of national security.

    Don't allow yourself to be distracted.​
     
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    Of course not. Trump goons attacking the police and injuring over 140 of them was always a futile indulgence based upon a lie.

    The Trump goons are still being exposed:

    Newly released video shows mob violently breaking into Capitol on Jan. 6 as police attempted to stop them
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/n...d-to-stop-them/ar-AAR52xX?ocid=BingNewsSearch



     
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    Trump's big, dirty lie has consequences far beyond his goons' attacking the Capitol, and the damages inflicted by it are multitudinous and will need to be redressed in multiple venues.

    DENVER (AP) — A federal judge has ordered two lawyers who filed a class action lawsuit alleging the 2020 presidential election was stolen from Trump to pay more than $180,000 in attorney’s fees for defendants Dominion Voting Systems, Facebook and others, saying the lawsuit was intended to manipulate “gullible members of the public” and helped spur the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.

    The now-dismissed suit relied on baseless conspiracy theories spread by the former president and his supporters. It named elected officials in four swing states, Facebook and Denver-based Dominion, whose election machines were at the center of some of the most fevered speculation.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...-election-fraud-case/ar-AAR5Ilh?ocid=BingNews
     
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    Yep, I saw and posted about that one. More unwitting pawns and victims of Trump's manipulation. Jon Stewart said that Trump is not a villain, but I disagree! He absolutely thinks and acts like a villain, and he gets people hurt and killed in the process.
     
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    Hold on to that thought. You may have to rescind it before this is all done.
     
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    The Cry Baby Loser remains relevant because he persists in crapping on democracy.

    The Loser's inability to handle the truth has dire implications for our nation. The Loser is still lying and his goons are still swallowing the Loser's lies.



    A federal judge took a jab at Trump... for continuing to spout falsehoods about his 2020 election loss, saying former Democratic presidential candidate Al Gore took his 2000 election loss like “a man.”

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    “Al Gore had a better case to argue than Mr. Trump, but he was a man about what happened to him. He accepted it and walked away,” said Judge Reggie Walton in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia...

    Walton was referring to Gore’s decision to concede the 2000 race against Republican George W. Bush after weeks of legal battles centered on an extremely tight race in Florida and a U.S. Supreme Court decision that halted a full recount there. Gore had won the popular vote in the nation (as did Hillary Clinton in 2016), but he challenged the Electoral College vote based on the Florida recount.

    Walton made the dig at Trump during a plea hearing in a U.S. Capitol riot case against Adam Johnson, 36. The Florida resident was seen happily hauling House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s swiped lectern around the Capitol on Jan. 6 in a photo widely distributed by the media.

    The judge told Johnson:


     
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    He's only relevant to those who can't live without him. Mainly the left and their media. And you can stop with all the fake outrage over a 4 hour riot at the capital after 574 riots in 24 cities over 8 months killing dozens of Americans and burning down billons in American businesses.

    Your hypocrisy falls on deaf ears
     
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    Looks more like a crybaby loser of a hyper partisan judge. His world is coming to an end, get used to it.
     

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