What say you regarding 1/6 prisoners?

Amendment 8 - Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Ratified 12/15/1791. Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Section 9 - ...The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it...

Amendment 6 - Right to Speedy Trial, Confrontation of Witnesses. Ratified 12/15/1791. In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

After ‘horrible’ jail conditions found, judge orders release of Jan. 6 protester (lawenforcementtoday.com)

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Yes, I committed the cardinal sin of perusing the U.S. Constitution.

The Capitol Police stepped aside and let the rioters in.

The 1/6 rioters were not armed, but some of the ANTIFA and BLM rioters were.

 

They're going through what they've been cheerleading for decades - as long as it was happening to "The Other." I hope that the experience is enlightening...

 

For goodness sake, do not trivialize the topic with your ridiculous Trump obsession comment: "The difference between Jim Jones and Donald Trump is that Trump would have charged everyone for the Kool-Aid.

And I think your attachment is below this forum.

 

I didn't refer, even obliquely, to Jabba the Trunt in thread post. Try again.

 

Top o' the mornin'.

Paint me obtuse, if you will, but what is "Jabba the trunt?"

Are you referring to Trump?

If not, didn't you include in your post the following: "The difference between Jim Jones and Donald Trump is that Trump would have charged everyone for the Kool-Aid?"

 

1. Yes - aka: The Tangerine Turd

2. That's my signature line. It automatically appears with ALL my posts.

Observe:

 

I say, do the crime, do the time

and not getting Organic vegetables is not cruel and unusual punishment

 

criminals do deserve humane treatment. these guys are getting organic gluten free food air conditioning and cable tv. the innocent guy just released from la state ( angola) after 40 odd years had none of that.

 

I wouldn't mind that, but will they have generous Saphire Martinis with just a touch of dry vermouth, stirred, no fruit, and straight-up?

 

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Some Jan. 6 Capitol rioters were armed with guns, documents show (statesman.com)

many of the 1/6 trump lovers were armed. my linked article names a few of them.

were there any blm or "antifa" at the capital on 1/6? prove it

 

Suddenly, when right-wingers are rioting, the difference between a rioter and a protestor is NOW whether or not they are armed. I don't remember seeing that distinction being made during all the BLM riots. And for someone like me who condemned the BLM bullshit AND the idiots who rioted in the Capital building, all I can do is shake my head at the nebulous meaning of "rioter" now depending on the political persuasion of the person doing the rioting.

 

Some demonstrators outside of the building were armed but, to my knowledge, didn't threaten anyone with them. No one that entered the building was armed. I used "rioters" as a synecdoche to include all that entered the building. Most of those who entered the building, as were the overwhelming majority of demonstrators, were loud but, to my knowledge, non-violent.

 

I have no sympathy for those that tried to overturn an election. They are not Patriots; once they entered the capital (by force) they became criminals. Unless I am mistaken, that is why they went to jail.

 

pepper spray and bear spray are non violent? louisville sluggers? i'm not familiar with all these cases bit i'm sure that if you approve of non violent baseball bats that a skateboard might be non violent?

out

 

Arms mean firearms. fire(arms)

 

What a vaccuos post. 95% copy/paste and a bunch of b.s

You don't deserve a serious reply.

 

My thoughts: decent but not excessive prison time.

 

With all due respect, Rampart, what are you talking about? The existence of an implement or the possession thereof does not constitute violence.

 

I'll take your post into consideration.

 

i guess we will find out what the charge is for "protesting while republican"

 

Due to FOIA requests and court cases videos the DOJ are sitting on my soon come available that will, compared to the Lafayette Park police actions, make them look lame.

 

How about violent police actions against peaceful protesters before anyone entered the building. Do you support that?

 

First of all The January 6th insurrectionists WERE ARMED.

"Arms", don't have to be fire-arms. A lot of damage can be done to a person with a flag pole, and was. But they were armed with much more than flag poles, they had:

Bear spray
950,000 volt stun gun
night sticks (probably weapons of opportunity taken from police)
9mm hand guns
pocket knives
baseball bats
rebar
tire irons
hammers
sledge hammers
riot shields (probably weapons of opportunity taken from police)
crow bars

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/9778...ere-are-the-weapons-prosecutors-say-they-used
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/capitol-protesters-were-armed-with-variety-of-weapons/
https://www.statesman.com/story/new...rs-were-armed-guns-documents-show/7963993002/ <- they did have firearms; btw
https://www.motherjones.com/crime-j...y-6-insurrection-congress-domestic-terrorism/

Secondly the "ANTIFA and BLM rioters" weren't ANTIFA or BLM:

"Who caused the violence at protests? It wasn’t antifa."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/22/who-caused-violence-protests-its-not-antifa/

"AP finds most arrested in protests aren’t leftist radicals"
https://apnews.com/article/virus-ou...al-injustice-7edf9027af1878283f3818d96c54f748

Demonstrations & Political Violence in America: New Data for Summer 2020
https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/de...violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/

Thirdly those are laws and definitions NOT in OUR Constitution, what in the Constitution did you "peruse"?

Fourthly SOME Capitol Police stepped aside when it was obvious they were out matched, and SOME were facilitating the insurrection. BUT!!!! the vast majority of the Capitol Police fought hard to keep the insurrectionists out, at least 140 were injured badly and had to go to the hospital.

"What do I say regarding the January 6th insurrection? I say whatever happens to people that broke into OUR Capitol destroyed furniture, doors, windows and defaced statures, then went on to piss in the halls and wipe their **** on the walls of the most beautiful public building in the world, WITH the intent to harm elected officials and disrupt the business of government ... I say the worst penalty allowed is none too harsh.

 

Personally I don't like the idea of political prisoners. It is un-American. On the other hand I don't like the idea of rioting either. I would put these folks back home on their own recognizance to await their trials. This looks too much like political imprisonment to me.

 

The most beautiful public building in the world? It is just a building. It is not some kind of religious shrine. It was back to fully operating in just a few hours. Punish to the full extent of the law. However, don't get carried away.