Should A President Remain In Office

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Should A President Remain In Office if they are responsible for over 200,000 Covid deaths?

  1. Trump was responsible, Biden is not

    9.3%
  2. Biden is responsible, Trump was not

    4.7%
  3. The virus is what it is. Neither president is responsible. It is a worldwide pandemic.

    65.1%
  4. Both presidents are and were responsible and neither should remain as president

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Other

    20.9%
  1. Big Richard

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    In my little town we have a yuge percent of African Americans who refuse to take the shots. These are not republicans. This is a dim controlled city for 60 years. So why are so many against it? A d Biden has admitted that he’s taken the shot, so why so many against?
     
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    Google Tuskegee Syphilis Study and James Marion Sims. There is a history in the US of using Blacks as subjects in medical experiments.
     
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    Thank you. Well said.
     
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    Knew this a long time ago. Knew a couple Tuskegee pilots who have since passed.
    My point is that people like to yell, Trump!!! and Republicans!!! As being the ones not getting the Trump juice.
    But here we have folks not associated with Da Trumpsta in any way (tho no one should be suprised if they are closet Trumpstas) and are not taking the Trump juice. I saw a report on the news a while ago that said minorities as a whole are not getting the juice that Trump provided at near the rate as white folk. Im sure by now there’s case study on the internet.
    perhaps we should be mad at them????
     
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    Dr. James Marion Sims?! He conducted his gynecological experiments on slaves, in the 1840's and 1850's! And so today, Blacks refuse vaccination against a pandemic disease because of THAT?!

    The "Tuskegee Syphilis Study" (a.k.a., 'The Tuskegee Experiment or Tuskegee Syphilis Study) was a study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the United States Public Health Service and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on a group of nearly 400 African Americans WHO ALREADY HAD SYPHILIS! Sure enough, 100 of those infected men died....

    And so today as the year 2022 begins, Blacks refuse vaccination against a pandemic disease because of THAT -- those unfortunate "studies" on Black men with syphilis that went on between 50 - 90 years ago...?! OK, then... let Blacks have it their own way! "Live and let live -- live and let DIE...."

    [​IMG]. "No 'vax' for you? Fine... but stay OUT of our overcrowded hospitals if you catch it!" :cynic:
     
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    Baseless nonsense.
     
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    Biden is a moron, but if he doesn’t remain in office, that means we have *shiver* President Harris.

    :cynic:
     
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    ~ Right now it appears that China is the president ... :wierdface:
     
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    I never said this reason was a good one. I merely put it forth as a possibility. If I recognize someone has beliefs, it doesn't mean that I agree with them. It means I understand that those beliefs are out there.

    In my opinion, a decision to forgo the jab because of historic mistreatment has the same validity as the people who won't get it due to their political beliefs.

    Personally I think it's a good idea to get vaxxed if you can. Other people can, and demonstrably do, think differently. Dismissing an idea because I don't believe the same seems arrogant to me. Understanding another's reasoning is a way to better understand my own and possibly a first step toward persuading them to accept mine.
     
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    Obviously the voting of the poll shows your thought process to be wrong.
     
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    Did you actually listen to her whole statement? She was saying that Trump's recommendation carried no weight and that medical professionals' did. Your take on this is as out of context as Obama's use of the Preamble of the Constitution to justify the ACA. That is simply not the intended meaning.
     
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    Ummmmmmmmmmm. No it doesn't. In fact, it shows my thought process to be correct. If you check, I voted with the majority. The poll is all about that neither Biden nor Trump had any real power to stop a virus that has ravaged the entire world. So, Trump can't be blamed (and neither can Biden). As Trump was honest with Americans, "The virus is what it is". I voted the same as YOU did and yet you say that my thought process was wrong.
     
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    Trust takes a long time to build up.
    And the fact that blacks had been used as guinea pigs before is a very good reason to not have trust.
     
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    You state you stared the poll because many of the left thought trump was responsible for stupidity of some citizens. And the very reason you started the poll.

    The poll results show that simply isn't the case at all.
    Hardly anyone believes either president to be responsible.
    Maybe it's the news sources you read that diluted what is reality?
     
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    Her statement was clear, if the Trump administration tells Americans to get vaccinated, she wouldn't do it. She couldn't have been any more clear. Then, after Biden becomes president, her and the left criticize Trump for not being more vocal in telling Americans to get vaccinated after saying for an entire campaign that if Trump tells Americans to get vaccinated, they shouldn't listen to him.
     
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    Oh please, even today, the left claim that Covid is all Trump's fault.
     
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    Your poll says otherwise.
     
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    So, can you say that Trump was right in that Covid is what it is and that he is not responsible for even one death? Let me hear it or you are a liar.
     
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    Sure.
    Can you say he was wrong that it will magically disappear when the weather gets warm?
    That 15 cases will go to zero?
     
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    No, but Trump is willing to commit political suicide to stand up for what he believes in the vaccine and expressing his support for it. That's admirable even though I disagree with him.
    Biden's support of the vaccine is politically expedient. I don't really believe it's anything more than that.
     
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    Well, he was wrong, BUT he was just echoing what many medical professionals thought was a possibility at the time. Many of them thought when the weather got hot, Covid would be pretty much gone. Those medical professionals were wrong too, just as they have been wrong about one hundred other things regarding Covid.
     
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    That's not what she said though. She said she wouldn't get it just because Trump recommended it. She required a better source of information. She said she'd be first in line if her doctor said it was a good idea. You don't get to cherry pick the parts of the quote you like and ignore the rest. That's the way to lose the meaning of any statement. meaning.
     
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    This is the same guy who went against his top experts and the FDA, touting hydroxychloroquine as a preventive against covid. It would surely take more than his word to get me to take the jab.

    Https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...ment-hydroxychloroquine-unproven-fauci-advice

    It is obvious his medical advice is suspect at best. Hydroxychloroquine is an antimalaria drug with possible severe side effects.
     
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    She was asked if she would get the shot if Trump recommended it and she said no. It doesn't get anymore clear than that. Then, after Biden took office the left blame Trump for not recommending the vaccine enough.
     

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