"Jan. 6 was a dangerously close call"

That could happen someday in America (maybe even in the near future) but is unlikely to happen NOW.

Latin American countries are deeply divided and filled with poverty (something the US is becoming more and more like as it takes on mass migration from the Third World).

Usually democracies are much more stable in a country with a strong middle class. (So I guess that doesn't look too good for the US long term?)

 

Yeah. More likely to happen in the aftermath of the 2022 general election with the GOP likely coming into power. When that happens what will happen then? It could be a preview of what happens in 2024.

 

Yawns. The Constitution explicitly would have ended Trump's term and if every person in that building had died on January 6, we would have replaced them and moved on business as usual. America's Constitutional democracy isn't as frail as the left likes to pretend (nor as the right does at times as well). If nobody was confirmed, then the Speaker of the House would have become the acting POTUS. If every member of Congress had been killed, the governors would replace their senators and the Senate pro tem would have become acting POTUS.

 

That's not accurate. Trump called Pence and basically ordered him not to certify the votes. He told him "Don't be a <locker room talk>.

Pence, torn on that, contacted his attorneys (I don't know if they were private attorneys or part of our Federal system in some way) and was told that he has no authority to NOT certify the votes. He told Trump that he had fiduciary responsible TO certify them. He intended to uphold his sworn duty to our country.

On the day that Trump goaded and manipulated his supporters to storm the Capitol, he KNEW that Pence wouldn't do it and COULDN'T do it so he put a target on his back fully expecting that his most gullible supporters would buy it. He lied directly to them and sent them in to fight a fight they could not possible win and, worse, not giving a damn if they found and hurt or killed his own VP. That's evil to the core.

 

Oh, is that what you imagine happened?

 

It feels like you’re downplaying what Trump was asking him to do, and the fact that he could have been intimidated into doing it. Sure, we got lucky, but will we next time?

 

I was told it was "Fiery yet mostly peaceful"

lol.

 

MelloGuy, that's my intent. I apologize if my post wasn't clear on that point.

There is NO doubt or hesitation in my mind that Trump did all he could do to bully Pence into doing what he wanted him to do.

There is NO doubt or hesitation in my mind that Trump did all he could do to bully Raffensberger into doing what he wanted him to do.

There is NO doubt or hesitation in my mind that Trump did all he could do to bully the Department of Justice into doing what he wanted them to do.

It's not even a contest. Anybody paying attention knows that Trump tried to push the boundaries in every way imaginable. I stand with you in that.

Nevertheless, I take comfort in knowing that our checks and balances system calls to account for those egregious acts. The only reason Trump is having a public nervous breakdown about the losing the election (it wasn't fraud. He didn't do his job and employees can get fired for not doing what they are paid to do - and before any of the pearl clutchers grab onto that. Yes, I'm aware he donated his Presidential salary while price gouging at his hotels were his SS detail was forced to stay when he was playing golf and downing 3 buckers of extra crispy nasty KFC chicken) is (1) he wants to milk his supporters for all that he can while the "getting is good" and, (2) to continue his con game as a persecuted and misunderstood leader.

He's not leadership material. Leaders don't have to lie, cheat, steal, divide, hate, or anything else to motivate their teams. Real leaders understand they are not and can't be the "authority" on anything which is why the POTUS has advisors. It was said that he wanted to wear a Superman costume under his suit when returning from Walter Reed Hospital. His advisors clearly talked him out of that stupid idea so I don't understand why somebody isn't zapping him with a shock collar to tell him to stop doing the 87,754,098 other things he wants to unleash on the public.

But, here's the thing. The people that love him and support him are calling the shots. They've made it abundantly clear that they do NOT support the President or others in their party. The others in the party have to bite their tongues and ingratiate themselves to him in an effort to get their votes. His most rabid supporters are solid with their loyalty to the *person* and that's very dangerous. It's why various social media sites had to ban him. He is the epitome of evil and being allowed to cultivate and play mind games with his supporters he is a threat to our country. He's very, very dangerous because he knows how to push the volition to make thousands of people to do his bidding and the whole time he is lying straight to their faces.

Finally, I do not believe that it is possible for our elected officials to sit idly by hoping things will work out if Trump ousted Pence (or he was killed) and grabbed the throne. Trump said himself "Take the guns first, go through due process second' and I strongly believe we should stick to that. Our elected officials would have to step in if he grabbed the throne and I have no doubts they would. They would emulate his stance on weapons. Get him out of there as soon as possible and figure out the details in court.

P.S. Trump is a loser and a sore one at that. He was truly fired for being a lame duck and finger pointer when he was at the helm during the onset of COVID arriving in the US. The conspiracy and persecution are just figments of his imagination and long as he milk people for money. to fight his battles (losing their lifelong career - Powell & Giuliani), he will. He has no regard for anyone or any process except what benefits him. He doesn't even know *HOW* to think outside his own brain. Nobody sane would say on camera "I don't take responsibility at all." (Axios interview regarding the spread of COVID in the US). Nobody same would poke and prod and manipulate his supporters into committing crimes on his behalf. Nobody same would have done everything he could to block a peace transfer of power. If he cared about us. he would have been able to accept that he lost the election, and while that stings, there is work to be done. I've done it countless times. We lose a battle, step back and make decisions about the best way to proceed with a mindset that has the best outcome versus the outcome of us using other people to elevate ourselves. Trump doesn't have the insight to do anything other than rejecting people (usually for the smallest reason), bullying people (why can n employer dictate that an employee can't wear a mask because it offends him?) and claiming persecution. All he knows is how to do is lie and beg for money and he has never been called on the carpet and that is what is hurting him. He doesn't know *HOW* to process anything that does not paint him as a super hero. In his world, the Capitol riot is just. He is okay with any level of violence necessary to achieve his end. He is okay with anything and everything possible that might reseat him in the Oval Office.

So, no, I don't believe that we will have a next time. Our elected officials were not prepared for our POTUS to go rogue, but now that they can see that with open eyes, there will be changes in how the President is elected, how electors are vetted and how current laws are applied to whomever is seated in the Oval Office. Spoiler alert: This IS our new *normal*. Full stop.

 

I hope you’re right, I feel like those who would flush our democracy are even more prepared now
Let me say, they aren’t nazis
But the Germans didn’t learn from the beer hall putsch as much as the nazis did.

 

The Democrats have truly shown themselves to be strategy students of KKK founder, Insurrectionist leader, and Democrat Nathan Bedford Forest who once said:

“Get ’em skeered and keep the skeer on ’em.”

 

No, the plan was to invalidate 5 states and either declare Trump the winner for having the majority in the remaining states or to send it for a House vote.

 

Yeah, respecting the results of the election and respecting the Constitution is definitely the same as being KKK. Totes.

 

Let me try to break it down for you.

“Get ’em skeered and keep the skeer on ’em.” was a strategy of Nathan Bedford Forest.

Get em skeered and keep the skeer on em is the current strategy of the Democrat Party.

 

They opened a little gate, which isn't a freaking door of the Capitol. We can all see it's just all outside over half a mile away from the Capitol.
I showed you how it went down at the door, which proves you are just lying by keeping this up.

Donald gave mixed messages... with that they should go peacefully, but also to go fight like hell, go pop pop and have a trial by combat.
You should read the entire transcript of them speeches instead of just cherry picking a little fragment, and stop deliberately remain so ignorant.

 

Was is it the dems who stood up on jan 6 (and the weeks before) and claimed our democracy was being stolen by fraudulent votes that nobody can find?

 

Be grateful Jan 6th wasn’t more violent
Cheating a presidential election is something that would lead to much more violence
Y’all are lucky the republicans are decent human beings
Question. How many buildings were burned down at the Jan 6th protest?

 

So we owe violent criminal thugs a debt of gratitude for not getting even more idiotically violent?

The only cheating was the cheating that Trump attempted. He failed. And here's your daily reminder that your conspiracy theories are based entirely on your feelings and that there isn't a single fact that backs it up.

The rioters certainly weren't. Well, some, I assume, are good people. But Trump has a talent for brainwashing.

 

You represent the ideal in terms of political supporters.

And I'm not being sarcastic.

If I were Trump, I'd want a million clones of you.

Compliant, fanatical, willing to believe anything I say.

Are you even sending money to Trump?

 

i would never waste my time at a protest or sending rich people money but thanks for assuming
I do agree there should be many clones of me

 

Trump keeps asking his supporters for money to 'save America'.

Why don't you send him some money?

 

no thanks. Unlike the democrats I put myself before politicians
You guys are the ones that value politicians lives over the lives of the average citizen, hence acting like Jan 6th is the only protest in human history
Keep running your mouth though. I’ll gladly respond to all of your lame comments

 

You didn't answer my question.

Everyone puts themselves before politicians.

Trump wants to save America and you don't send him money, why?

Maybe you are too poor... or deep down you know he's a fraud.

 

Imagine the logic of sending money to a billionaire

 

People who believe that the 2020 election was stolen should not be allowed to vote.

I don't know why they would even want to vote anymore.

 

Thank you for the advice but I think I'm gonna send it to AOC instead. She might need it for medical bills after the way she's partying it up in Florida without a mask