Travis McMichael says in his murder trial that he felt threatened by Ahmaud Arbery

Really? Because what I saw was Arbery attack Travis and attempt to seize his gun?

You mean you have no comeback?

 

Why exactly did Travis feel threatened? Let's go over that.

First of all, let's quickly point out, before we begin, that there is no evidence the guns were displayed in a threatening manner while Arbery was being followed.

Travis took one step out of his vehicle when Arbery was still running away from his vehicle, it is probable. But Arbery later turned and ran back towards the direction of Travis, while Travis was right outside the vehicle holding the gun.
When Arbery seems like he will run right around the other side of the truck, Travis begins moving away from that direction.
When does Travis actually threaten Arbery with the gun? When Arbery suddenly swerves and changes direction, seeming to run towards the direction of Travis, while Travis's back is turned to Arbery. Travis was surprised by this sudden new path Arbery was taking that he was not expecting. Arbery was running towards Travis. (Whether to try to jump Travis or because he saw a possible path opening up in the middle of the road, we don't know) It probably seemed to Travis that Arbery was running towards him, trying to catch him by surprise while his back was turned. Of course Travis wanted to Arbery to "stop" and not run in his direction and get too close to him.
We can see how that very likely would have been interpreted as threatening by Arbery, but we can also see why Travis would be afraid of Arbery.
Better to threaten him with a gun than wait until Arbery ran really close to Travis, and then Travis would have had to shoot him.

In other words, if Arbery was trying to "jump" Travis (which we can see Arbery tried to do later), then Travis saved Arbery's life (at that point in time) by threatening to shoot him.

The paradox here of course is that people are blaming Travis for threatening Arbery with a gun, claiming that made Arbery try to attack Travis later.

 

Can you seriously not even get a single detail of any of this right? First of all, one of the McMichaels had already verbally threatened to shoot Arbery. Then they blocked his escape with their truck and, in their own words, "trapped him like a rat." He kept running EXACTLY as he had been running before they trapped him, and Travis pointed a shotgun at his ****ing head. Yeah, that's threatening. And THAT is when Arbery changed direction, putting the truck between him and the guy pointing a shotgun at his fact. Would it kill you to just watch the ****ing video instead of making this **** up?

 

Because Arbery was running towards the pickup truck with him in the up in the back of it.

I think the keys were still in the ignition, the drivers side door opened, and no one sitting inside the truck.

It's understandable Gregory did not Arbery running right along the side of the truck, where he would not be able to keep a line of sight on him.

That's a little disingenuous. The pickup truck had been stopped in the road, in the normal lane, when Arbery had still been running away from the direction of the truck.

Travis did not begin moving left, blocking the path in the middle of the road, until it seemed like Arbery was going to take the path to the right around the other side of the truck. Travis was moving away from the direction of Arbery when he began walking away from the vehicle.

 

There is no "paradox." Arbery had done literally everything he could possibly do to escape, and they were threatening his life. Trying to grab the gun was the only option remaining beyond timidly complying with the demands of violent criminals and hoping that they showed mercy.

 

No, the "I'll blow your ****ing head off" threat had come before then. And notice how you chop off the rest?

 

A stupid option that anyone with half a brain should have known would get them killed.
(Unless maybe Arbery thought Travis would not dare to actually shoot)

If Arbery was really "trying to escape", as you say, it's interesting that he had already gotten through the "roadblock", and turned (diagonally) BACK towards the direction of Travis to attack him.

(It might have seemed to him that Travis was trying to intercept him, but we can see on the video that is not what Travis was actually trying to do, Travis was just repositioning himself near the front left corner of his truck to keep a line of sight and make sure Arbery would not run back towards the open driver's side door.

 

His other option was to cower and hope that these violent criminals would show him mercy. He chose self-defense.

Can't wait for your thread about how rape victims should have worn longer skirts.

How dare Arbery try to exercise his most basic legal rights?!?!?!?!?!? That's basically begging to be murdered!

 

The McMichaels already had had a very clear opportunity to shoot him if they had wanted. It should have been obvious to Arbery that whatever they intended to do, they did not intend to just shoot and murder him.

Let me emphasize again that at no point does anyone on foot ever actually chase Arbery. Travis did not move towards Arbery's direction, except to go back right near his vehicle, to stand at the front left corner, right before Arbery ended up getting shot.

 

That ex-cop and co -all white- they yelled death threats at black man, while chasing him around for minutes and minutes by car, to eventually box him in with their guns ready, that ended up with murder. Oh yeah.. totally being railroaded when it's murder bla bla bla.

Everything hints you're still living in a white person's world of the 1950's.

 

No, they couldn't have. Have you never shot a gun before?

You now, except for the part where they verbally threatened to do exactly that and then pointed a ****ing gun at his face.

Oooooh, this is the part where you play games and pretend that it isn't an actual "threat" to tell someone that you will shoot them or point a gun at their face. Cute.

Let me emphasize again that at no point does anyone on foot ever actually chase Arbery.[/QUOTE]And chasing him in vehicles, trying to run him off the road, "trapping him like a rat," and pointing a shotgun at his face is better than chasing him on foot . . . how? Don't worry. I know you aren't capable of answering. Let me just go ahead and emphasize that again.

 

following, not really "chasing"

The "death threats" (as you describe it) was because Arbery was running towards them.
That has already been explained to you.

Travis thought Arbery was going to try to take him by surprise and jump him. The threat was so Arbery wouldn't get really close, because then Travis would have had to shoot him.

 

People who want to kill somebody, have plenty of opportunities to do so normally. They usually time their moments for the sake to increase the odds to get away with it. Are you aware of that?

 

No, chasing. They weren't just "following." That's some bullshit that you MADE UP. They admitted to chasing him. They admitted to threatening to kill him if he didn't stop. They admitted to "trapping" him. YOU MADE UP the idea that they just wanted to follow him. Their actions and their words prove that's not what they were doing. But, hey, facts are hard to talk about, right?

 

He literally thinks that it is easy to just shoot a running target from the back of a moving vehicle using a handgun (but he thinks it is virtually impossible to call the police while sitting in the passenger seat . . . weird). Anyone who has every actually shot a gun is laughing right now.

 

Now you're mixing up the timeline. The McMichaels had not threatened Arbery until at the very end of that pursuit.

The McMichaels were not moving towards Arbery at that point.

When they said "stop", they meant that they didn't want Arbery coming too close to them, or the truck at that point (open drivers side door, no one sitting inside the truck, keys in the ignition, just think what would have happened to Gregory in the back bed of that pickup truck if Arbery had gotten in the driver's seat of the truck and sped off at high speed)

 

No, I'm not. I've reviewed the video. I've reviewed the testimony. I've repeatedly proven that you have not done either.

You don't try to run someone off the road when you are just "following." You don't threaten to shoot them if they don't stop if you are just "following." You don't box someone in and trap them like a rat if you are just "following." You don't point a shotgun at their face if you are just "following."

At no point in their testimony did they claim they were just "following." They admitted they were trying to stop him and question him. That. Is. Not. Just. FOLLOWING.

It's your made-up bull **** first their actual words and actions.

 

Arbery was running, therefor them rednecks were chasing.

And I don't know how you can argue Arbery was running towards people who you claim they were following him. That's not how it works.
Your dumb idea that "I'll blow your f-ing head off" is not really a death threat (since you put it in quotation marks) is rather nuts.

 

What are you talking about? The vehicle was not moving at that point. Arbery had already been running right along the right side of the truck, along the edge of the road, with Gregory standing up in the back bed of the pickup truck, looming over him.

Travis could not call the police because he was driving. Neither could Bryan. Gregory could have, but remember, for a while Travis was already under the impression the police had been called.

 

He's claimed that it is "ambiguous" to call it a threat if you say you are going to blow someone's head off or even if you actually point a gun at their face. He also clearly hasn't watched any of the video or listened to any of the testimony.

 

Because they has used it to box him in and trap him like a rat.

No, Arbery had been running on the road. He didn't turn to the side of the truck until Travis, after trapping him like a rat, pointed a shotgun at his face. He had been running away from the trucks for 5 minutes. They were using the trucks to prevent his escape. They ****ING ADMITTED THIS.

 

Here is the only evidence I could find that anyone ever tried to do that to Arbery.

Bryan's exact words from a video:
"I pulled out of my driveway, was gonna try to block him. He was going all around it. And I made a few moves at him (moves his hand three times), you know. And he didn't stop."

In other words that only happened as Bryan was pulling out of his own driveway. And we have only Bryan's words, we don't know exactly what happened.

 

Okay then, why doesn't Travis chase Arbery when Travis is outside the vehicle? Why didn't Gregory hop out of the back bed of the truck to chase Arbery?
Why does Travis move away from the direction of the path he thinks Arbery is going to take? (Travis walks left away from the truck, as Arbery is swerving to the right, as if he's going to go around the right side of the truck)

 

If you had actually watched testimony from the trial, you would see Bryan admitting that he had tried to force Arbery off the road (resulting in physical evidence, by the way), and had tried to block his escape. You don't do those things when you are only following. See also: the other proof that they weren't just following . . . which you are not capable of addressing.

We have the verbal testimony of Bryan and the McMichaels, and we have video evidence. All of that disproves your fake "they were just following" fantasy. This, again, is just something you made up. They never claimed that this was what they were doing, they claimed they were doing something much different, their words prove this wasn't what they were doing, and their actions prove this isn't what they were doing. Your fantasy is easily disproven by even the people you think you are defending.

 

You can see him swerve back and forth several times, looks like he may have been intentionally trying to confuse the McMichaels so they wouldn't know which direction he was going to go.

It looks to me like Arbery might have seen an opportunity and was going to try to jump Travis. But I can't know that for certain. Travis probably thought so.