Are some US and British media outlets biased on Israel & Paelstine?

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Are some US and British media outlets biased on Israel & Paelstine?

  1. Yes, some US and British media outlets are biased in favour of Israel.

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  2. Yes, some US and British media outlets are biased in favour of Palestine.

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  3. I have no reason to believe that some US and British media outlets are biased on Israel & Paelstine.

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  4. Yes, some US and British media outlets are biased in either direction.

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  1. Pixie

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    To be honest, I don't know.

    It would probable depend on what other newsworthy events occurred the previous day.
     
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    Are some US and British media outlets biased on Israel & Paelstine? If you think so, explain why.

    Can an owl fly? The reason is anti semetism. Did we really need to tell you that?
     
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    They have equal rights within Israel, can vote, run for office, move freely, live and work equally everywhere in Israel? They travel abroad with Israeli passport?
    If they can do all the above then I have been misinformed. Since Palestine is not a free independent nation, your question is not relevant. If it was then it would be.
     
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    Is anti-semitism what it's called when people refuse to criticize Israel and mistake doing so for bigotry against Jewish people?
     
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    @chris155au - Grau and Pixie have posted perfect examples of blatant anti-Israel bias. It would take a lot of bandwidth to properly analyze the articles, so I'll just highlight a good starting point to detect anti-Israel bias in an article: the writer doesn't bother to properly present the Israeli point of view. Another indicator is the flooding of the article with references to the international law, but all the arguments are based on UN resolutions which are not by themselves, and do not generate, international law.

    I've first become aware of anti-Israel bias in the media when a photo of an American student in Israel, badly beaten by Arabs in the Arab quarter in Jerusalem, was published by major media outlets as depicting a Palestinian victim of Israeli police violence on the Temple Mount. More details at the link.
    https://honestreporting.com/tag/headline-bias/

    The pipeline of information from Israel is not just rusty and leaking, but intentionally plugged. Former AP journalist Matti Friedman is sharing his experiences as a reporter in Israel.
     
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    Don't forget, the NY Times, easily the #1 newspaper in the world at the time, completely buried and covered up the holocaust even though its owner publisher was Jewish.
     
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    The Islamic Arab party Ra'am is in the current governing coalition. Does the aforementioned answer your question?

    I often work with Arabs. Yes, they have equal rights within Israel. Yes, they travel abroad with Israeli passports - how do you think Hatem Elhamed, former Celtic player, Israeli Arab, managed to travel to Scotland? Yes, they can obviously vote and run for office (there are Arabs in our Parliament), Yes they can move freely, live and work everywhere. Yes, they can land nice jobs (vice president at Intel - Rida Masrawa), run successful businesses ( Basila Kattouf's GemSight, Imad and Reem Younis' Alpha Omega Solutions), become judges at the Supreme Court (George Kara), and whatever else they want. Those are just examples, there are many more successful Arabs in Israel.

    Although the above seems off-topic, lack of knowledge regarding Arabs in Israel is one of the consequences of anti-Israel media bias.
     
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    From IHRA working definition of antisemitism:
    https://www.holocaustremembrance.co...ions-charters/working-definition-antisemitism

    All you have to do in order to detect antisemitism is ask yourself if the criticism in question is similar to that leveled against any other country.
     
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    If the above is true then I have indeed been misinformed. I have never been to Israel so I can only go by what I hear, which according to what you claim above has been incorrect. That would indeed show powerful anti-Israel media bias.

    A boy born in Palestine, in Gaza or the West Bank, to muslim parents, can later freely come and go as he likes, move anywhere in Israel he likes, vote equally, run for office, work and function as any other Israeli citizen would? There is no situation of second class citizen because he is a Palestinian muslim and not an Israeli jew?
     
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    Again, I am not experienced with Israel, but even from my ignorant viewpoint, I can see people reflexively calling any criticism of Israel or Israel's influence on other governments "Anti-Semitism". There are clearly many who conflate the two.
     
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    @Grau, your response?
     
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    What evidence is there that they were specifically targeting school children?
     
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    Which article?
     
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    What has led you to believe that they DON'T have all of the above?

    And why do you suppose it isn't a free independent nation?
     
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    Well, see for yourself by clicking the link below. Is the synagogue hostage story smaller news than Novak Djokovic being kicked out of Australia, or Democrats having issues with passing federalised voting laws?

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/01/16/nytfrontpage/scan.pdf
     
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    Whatever Israel has done in violation of international law, is only a problem if you think that international law matters.
     
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    Israel, the world's only Jewish State? I think that it's maybe KINDA Jewish. Wouldn't you say?
     
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    But everything that you know about Israel is NOT from the same media?
     
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    But Hamas while it fires rockets and kills Israelis DOESN'T want to be seen unequivocally as the good guys?
     
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    All the info in my post can easily be found using google.
    https://www.transfermarkt.com/hatem-abd-elhamed/profil/spieler/176990
    https://maoftech.org.il/en/startups/gemsight/
    https://www.alphaomega-eng.com/Our-management

    There's a lot more if you know what you're looking for. Try this site - a bit right biased politically, but an excellent source of information on Israel nonetheless:
    https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/p/eoz-posters-for-apartheid-week.html

    There are several organizations that are researching and fighting against anti-Israel bias and antisemitism:
    https://honestreporting.com/
    https://www.camera.org/
    https://www.standwithus.com/

    Arabs in Judea and Samaria - regions baptized West Bank by the western media - and Arabs in Gaza are not and have never been Israeli citizens. They are citizens of the Palestinian Authority. They can vote and run for office in the Palestinian elections - when and if such ever take place, of course.

    Arabs from the "territories" - the easier way to refer to Judea, Samaria and Gaza - were free to move inside Israel, despite terror attacks by the PLO, PFLP, and others, until the end of the eighties. The Arabs in Judea and Samaria were Jordanian citizens then (some, like Abbas, still are). Israelis were shopping in Ramallah, Qalqilya , and Gaza. Arabs from the territories worked in Israel.

    Then Hamas happened. Terror attacks in Israel soared. The situation was so bad that many people wouldn't go to malls or other crowded places because those were the most likely to be blown up. That was the final straw for Israelis. Arabs from territories were no longer allowed to travel freely in Israel, checkpoints were established at the crossings, and eventually the security barrier had been built. The Oslo accords followed shortly.

    There's a lot of misinformation in the media about the status of the Palestinians nowadays. Often no distinction is made between Israeli Arabs and Palestinians in the territories, leading to wrong perceptions about Israeli Arabs and their place in the Israeli society. It is implied that, since Palestinians can't move freely inside Israel and can't vote in Israeli elections, neither can Israeli Arabs. This is completely false.
     
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    Well is the boy an actual Israeli citizen?
     
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    Can they emigrate to Israel?
     
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    Yes, some people think that any criticism of Israel is inherently antisemitic. However Israeli Jews, who are the biggest and loudest critics of Israel, wouldn't make that mistake.

    As for "Israel's influence on other governments"...well, it depends on the context. Influence of one state on another is a staple of international politics. Give me the context, I'll tell you if the criticism is antisemitic or not.

    As a general rule, if the criticism implies that Jews (or Zionists) are a like-minded collective driven by nefarious agendas, it is antisemitic.
     
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