Preach! Policy-wise, I probably have more in common with Slick Willie than with any other modern president, but I still think he should have been impeached and removed.
He should have been prosecuted for getting his mother off for her negligence which resulted in the deaths of two young women by influencing the state medical examiner. There is a special place in heck for Bill, IMO.
Whoopie was going by the ADL's definition, which was until quite recently: "The marginalization and/or oppression of people of color based on a socially constructed racial hierarchy that privileges white people" as was stated here: What is Racism? | ADL Whats really interesting is I created a thread on this on Jan 29 2022 (9 days ago) when the definition was as stated above. However, since then, that definition has been changed to the current one, which now says: "Racism occurs when individuals or institutions show more favorable evaluation or treatment of an individual or group based on race or ethnicity. (Prof. Robert Livingston, The Conversation). For more about this definition, click here." Also since this definition change, Whoopie was corrected on her view of racism/Jews/holocaust by the ADL and she has apologized. So basically Whoopie is just being dragged around by inconsistant ADL propaganda. And willingly so.
Not quite. The hostile race that should be fought can also be an imaginary one. Nazis claimed Jews a race, but in fact, Jews are only followers of the Mosaic religion. In the "blood & soil" universe of the Hitler guys, enmity is always based biologically. And the Jew was the main enemy. Nazis declared Russian Bolsheviks as Jews as well as American and British capitalists. Some Zionists do the same to claim a difference of their "race" to the rest of mankind.
Bill’s Mother was a nurse anesthetist. She also liked to bet on the horse races in Hot Springs. Instead of monitoring patient #1, she was busy filling out her race ticket. The first young lady died from Virginia’s negligence. Patient #2 followed tragic similar circumstances. The hospital ended up “managing her out”. Bill had the state medical examiner step in and rule the deaths as natural causes, so his mother would not face any charges. Imagine if one of those victims was one of your loved ones. That is why there is a special place in heck for Bill, IMO.
Hatred and prejudices against a certain group of people are not based on appearance, or on any real characteristic of the group, but on a model of that group in the brain. Simply put, racists imagine that certain groups have certain unwanted and potentially dangerous characteristics common to all the members of the groups. Racists don't hate real people, because they don't see the real people, all they see are imaginary villains or undeserving subhumans. Sadly, real people get hurt in the process. Racism is not based on skin color. The anti-Irish sentiment in 19th century England had nothing to do with skin color, yet the Irish were being dehumanized, made into a scapegoat for all problems. Whoopi's biggest mistake was trying to rationalize racism. There's no logic in racism.
not sure if Hitler saw Jews as a separate race, or a flawed version of their own race.... but he did want to create what he believed was a master race - which meant the genocide of everyone else - horrible either way and about race either way as for Whoopie, she is learnign what it's like to be a victim of the "woke" crowd, I do not think Whoopie is a racist, or a anti-Semitist, I just think she said something that others see as an attack on other's 'victim status', even though I do not think she intended it to be so this is why it's not wise to talk about racism or the holocaust in public, as it is easy to say something that offends people, without meaning too - many look for a reason to be offended
Romanians - allied with Nazi Germany at the time - burned more than 20,000 Jews alive in Odessa. Some 40,000 Jews were killed there by Romanian soldiers. Romanians themselves were slaughtered in Transylvania by Hungarian soldiers, while other Romanians were slaughtered in Basarabia by Russian soldiers - all three countries being then allies of the Nazis, hence allies of each other. Yes, everybody suffered in WWII. I don't know why would anyone think that talking about the suffering of Jews would somehow diminish the suffering of other victims. I also don't know why would anyone think that mentioning the Japanese and the Philippines would somehow add something valuable to a discussion about Whoopii's views on relations between German Nazis and Jews. But most of all, I don't understand why would anyone think that talking about Jews on a topic about Jews would be inappropriate.
Her comments are a classic example Americans not understanding the rest of the world or its history because they don't inform themselves about it. She views race through a very specifically American lense, so any definitions of race that fall outside that make no sense to her. It is the exact same thing as those people who claim Fascism was 'left wing' or construct political scales where anything remotely statist is 'left wing'. Only people profoundly & deliberately ignorant of anything outside America could come to such conclusions, but they do so with tedious regularity. Whoopi is just following programming.
Absolutely. Thank you so much for sharing this. My brain wants to "make sense" of it but it can't. I've tried to understand their viewpoint and I hit a brick wall every single time. Further, (and, I admit that I've been lambasted for this), ***IF*** the "issue" was simply about <whatever target> there would be no reason for the same race of people to fight or go to war. There would be no explanation why people fight within their own culture and/or race and there would be no reason that families fight among themselves. Therefore, the only way to overcome these obstacles is to not only come to terms with ourselves and our values but accept that anywhere along that spectrum, however far-fetched in that space and time, there is potential and opportunity for growth.
I beg to differ. We should talk about everything in public, including sensitive and potentially offensive topics. No subject should be taboo, nobody should be silenced for having an opinion. As long as the debate doesn't turn into a call for violent action, of course. I don't think we should punish people for their opinions. "If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear".
Nazism embraces totally false concepts of "race" and the differences between peoples and groups. So, to the extent that these are false, they are not really about "race". Yet, because they inflicted these falsehoods in a very real way, they made it "racist". Thus, "Whoopi" is both right and wrong.
I was not talking about the way things should be, I was talking about the way things are should we change and all get along, sure, absolutely
It's true that races are a human concept, but so are numbers. Math is real. So is racism. Whoopi is wrong because her premise is wrong. She uses a flawed definition of racism.
Thank you. Who gives a damn what the Nazis were thinking? You could argue that they considered Slavs a different race. It was all about race! Just because people are different does not make it racial.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/genocide-of-european-roma-gypsies-1939-1945 What rock have you been living under? There are hundreds of films, tv shows and documentaries about Jewish genocide. Hardly anything about those other people. So yes why not mention them? My point is that Jews are not special. I'm an anti theist so I totally reject the idea of Jews as some chosen people. I also object to this moronic idea that any discussion of that time in history has to only be from one perspective only. I never said it was inappropriate to talk about the killing of Jews. Whoopi is a typically race obsessed moron lib but she never denied the Holocausts or defended it. So why are people acting lie she did?
WW2 was a horrible thing. Half the adult men in the nation of Georgia were killed in that war. Romania had more war casualties than the USA and it is a tiny country. Almost 6 million civilians of all ethnicities died in Poland alone. As many as 8 million German civilians died.
Race is anthropological not biological. So Goldberg perceives Jewish people in Nazi Germany as white people. This isn't wrong or right it's just someone's opinion. The third Reich saw them as a different race a lower race and to them that's what it was so to say it wasn't about races to say the Nazis were wrong about their motivations as if Goldberg is more knowledgeable about Nazis then the actual Nazis were.
Yes, the word racism relates to race. That's pretty much what I said. They considered themselves "master race", and anyone outside that definition was different race, but that was ignorance in their part. Many of their victims looked like model aryans, and had to wear a yellow star, because otherwise it would have been impossible to know they were Jews. They were fiercely anti-semitic, and their crimes were mostly white-on-white, which was probably what Whoopie was trying to say, so I don't get the PC outrage over her comments. Well, Jews were selected by God as "His people" out of all other nations, but that does not make them another race, and nor does the Bible refer to them as such. Abraham was from Iraq, so his blood decedents are Arabs, but European Jews aka Ashkenazic Jews carry only 3% Arab DNA. There are also black Jews and Indian Jews, so how can "Jew" be a race? If people want to expand the definition of "racism", then so be it. That seems to be the name of the game these days among both the right and the left. As a matter of fact, recently the RW has gone "all-in" with woke race baiting, which used to be mostly a LW sport.
Whoopi was 10 when the Jim Crow laws were banned. Highschool dropout... it's to be expected that she's not up to par.
It's a lot to do with the hypocrisy of the left. Roseanne makes a tweet and she is gone for good. Whoopi makes a statement and gets a slap on the wrist.
