No, its the same subject. If you are trying to build a case justifying government interference on ones right to bodily autonomy, the fact that those laws cannot be enforced and have no benefit to society is relevant. Since this fact renders 100% of the arguments for abortion laws as useless as wings on a chicken, people prefer to omit it from the discussion. So far, no one has been able to explain how they would enforce abortion laws. Care to take a stab at it?
Just so it isn't the woman being punished.. Do you agree with that? (ya, I know, this is just another inconvenient question you'll ignore ) ...or say it's a "change of subject"..
Well, the way I see it, someone is going to get punished. It goes without saying that the rapist should be punished because he is causing someone else (whether it be fetus or woman) to get punished when they shouldn't be. It would be great if we had some way of "undoing" rape, but such a method does not actually exist.
You do realize what I was saying was that it's not legal to make a woman get pregnant against her will.
No, what you said was : ""So it is just a little more complicated than simply just "a woman being forced to have a baby". (It still isn't "legal" to force a woman to have a baby through rape)"" It's as evil to force a woman to gestate as it is to force her to get pregnant.
What's that supposed to mean? The only one that should be punished for rape is the rapist...how TF could anyone be confused about that? As do people who insist women gestate Yes, a raped woman shouldn't be "punished" for being raped by being forced to gestate...now WHY TF do you think women who had consensual sex should be punished by being forced to gestate? Ya know, your bringing in science fiction and fairy tales never adds to any discussion..., never proves a point,
People who insist women gestate are only deciding which of the two parties suffers the unjust punishment.
Women shouldn't be punished by having to get an abortion either when they had no willing part in the pregnancy. But the reality exists.
This post doesn't have to do with reality - or the OP for that matter. Women do not have to get an abortion. Ever. And, nobody is suggesting that should become "reality". The issue is whether a woman has the right to take care of herself the way she and her doctor see as best.
??? Rape is a serious assault. Period. Punishment is a legal decision in our culture. Abortion is absolutely NOT a punishment that we EVER allow. Right?
FoxHastings said: ↑ Yes, a raped woman shouldn't be "punished" for being raped by being forced to gestate... That's why NO ONE ever said they should....now , what has that got to do with my comment???? THERE IT IS , FOLKS....the Anti-Choicer's "women who have consensual sex must be punished" agenda......
I see you still have to cherry pick posts so you don't have to address those "inconvenient" questions and comments...
There are no pressing issues or questions that you asked which I did not address. I do not have any obligation to address all of your comments. Tell you what, if there is a particular comment of yours you really want me to address, say "pretty please" and I'll share my thoughts about it.
↑ FoxHastings: That's why NO ONE ever said they should....now , what has that got to do with my comment???? As I thought... no answers to those inconvenient questions ...that's OK, that's standard procedure for Anti-Choicers since they really don't have an argument they can back up or any facts... ... Post #162 sums it up ..
FoxHastings was claiming rape victims shouldn't be "punished" by having to gestate a baby. I pointed out that either way, whatever the woman chooses, she is still going to suffer undeserved punishment. Having to go through an abortion is a punishment, as is having to gestate a baby. Getting an abortion doesn't really completely "solve" the problem. She will still be suffering undeserved punishment.
Yes, but that's a different topic. It seems you believe that any argument about abortion gives you license to bring up any argument abort abortion. Even when it's in that same thread topic discussion. Obviously it's going to be near impossible to really have any coherent focused discussion if that's how it's going to go. You're trying to turn each thread into an argument about abortion in general. You're obviously taking things off topic. Threads exist so we can discuss specific topics. If someone wants to talk about abortion as it relates to pregnancies that result from rape, and you are trying to argue about the issue of whether abortion laws can be enforced, that seems disingenuous. Go start another thread, if that's what you want to talk about. Your argument about whether abortion laws have justifiable benefit to society would also be off topic in this thread, unless it is specifically about whether pregnancies that result from rape have benefit to society.
Yes, either way she is still a victim, victim's suffer......but choosing how to make her life better is HER decision and NO one else's. No, it may not for some women but for the woman who chooses to not gestate a criminal's kid it can be a huge RELIEF which goes a long way to solving her problems... BTW, ALL victims suffer undeserved punishment....and NO one should be able to make their suffering worse !!!... Another dose of common sense you may ignore
I'm pointing out that is not even slightly acceptable "logic". The fact that aborting the rape product is not a full solution is NOT a justification for using the government to force the woman to carry that zygote to term. YOU are promoting 9 month ASSAULT on her psychology, her ability to earn income, her participation in her family unit, her health, the public declaration of her rape affecting all aspects of her social involvement, etc. YOU need to STOP supporting the many months of assault on rape victims that YOU support.
Maybe she should engage in a little positive thinking. Women who desire to get pregnant are ecstatic when it finally happens. (And maybe you're forgetting, an abortion is not just going to make the trauma of her rape go away) What?!? There are all sorts of things she can still do while pregnant. If they don't accept her while pregnant, they are not worth having around. Your argument here is basically that we should allow abortion for all because 1% of these women are raped. So 99 of these babies/fetuses have to die just so one rape victim doesn't have to bear the psychological burden of carrying a rape baby. For your information, 1 out of 2 women who get pregnant as a result of circumstances that were beyond their control currently choose life. So it's not "unimaginable" or totally unbearable.
. OMGAWD! You think a little "positive thinking" will make the trauma of rape go away !!! WHAT TF!??? Your attitude about how "easy" it is to get over being raped says more than you know about YOU . That inane statement has NOTHING to do with a woman who gets RAPED. NO ONE SAID IT WOULD. Yes, but she may not be able to work if there are medical needs, doctor's appointments, and some women still do get fired for being pregnant...and some jobs are just too hard if one is pregnant and some jobs are dangerous if one is pregnant. YOU have never been pregnant and have NO IDEA WHAT IT ENTAILS. If they don't accept her then they don't accept her..."they are not worth having around" is hardly relevant !!! For the MILLIONTH TIME NO < IT IS NOT THE REASON TO ALLOW ALL ABORTIONS. WHY do you keep insisting it is when NO ONE HAS SAID IT IS ? ? Is it because you have NOTHING ELSE? NOPE, no one said that either,....try using FACTS instead of your imagination ... And for some women it IS unbearable to have been raped and then have the rapist's kid.... AGAIN, who TF are YOU to decide!!!!!!!
Oh good LORD!! Women who want to get pregnant? What does THAT have to do with RAPE??? Where did you get the garbage about 99 fetuses having to die? And, the entire rest of your social comment is just pain BIZARRE. Please reread my post. They say something that makes sense.
