Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. Jeannette

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    A modern classic. :D
     
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    Did you notice the nice neat cuts on the skull Billy? Of course you did, but Granny Vlad told you the nasty Nazis did it so you just pretended they weren't there.

    Oh, and where are you claiming Zelensky is today Billy? Not long ago you were claiming he wasn't in Kyiv. Still sticking to that, or is the propaganda stacking up so high that you just don't recall which of Granny Vlad's 'truths' you are telling today?
     
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    It all depends on what happens next.
     
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    Did you notice that that poor man was completely defenseless? Do you approve of this madness? Taking people's eyes out?

    A Ukrainian soldier tortures a prisoner with a knife.

     
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    And here's a bit of news from the front:

    The head of Lugansk wants a referendum to unite with Russia, although the Russians said it is not time yet. In the meantime, the Russian forces have deactivated all the Ukrainian telephone networks along the coast of the Sea of Azov.

    Zelensky according to a Greek site, seems to be in a bad psychological state and realizes that he will have to explain why and how Mariupol was lost and most importantly, what will happen from now on.

    Also Ukraine is running out of fuel for their tanks, and they only have enough for 5 to 10 days. But this is how the Russians work. Instead of bombing and inflicting hardships on the populations the way we do, they bomb military infrastructure as well as fuel and arm deposits.

    They also blockade shipments and entrap armies in cauldrons to force them to surrender. That way it lessens military and civilian deaths.

    Yet trye to form the collective West likes to think of themselves as being the civilized one's.


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    That was World War 2 back in the 1930s and 1940s. We're dealing with something different and Putin is still an evil man. That's all I'm going to say.
     
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    1 - Putin is evil for having raised the standard of living of his country after it was raped by Western imposed oligarchs, that stole everything as the people went hungry.

    2 - Putin's evil for not bowing to Western liberal standards and preferring a Christian Russia with a tolerance and respect for all faiths and cultures.

    3 - Putin's evil for supporting the Russians in Donbass and wouldn't allow their extermination.

    4 - Putin's evil for wanting to stop Nato's encroachment on the Russian Federation.

    5 - Putin's evil for going against the new world order, which benefits the few and enslaves the majority of humanity.

    Need I go on?
     
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    Educate them Jenny....educate them...They have zero knowledge of history.

    The defeat of Napoleon
    Napoleon and his Grand Army of 600,000 men invaded Russia on June 24, 1812. The conflict that ensued was justly called the Patriotic War by the Russians; in it, the strong resistance and outstanding endurance of an entire people were displayed. The war transformed Alexander, suffusing him with energy and determination. The French advanced as rapidly as the Russians retreated, drawing them away from their bases. Napoleon thought that, once Moscow was taken, the tsar would capitulate. But after the bloody Battle of Borodino, Napoleon entered a largely deserted Moscow, which was soon nearly destroyed by fire...

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Alexander-I-emperor-of-Russia/The-defeat-of-Napoleon
     
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    They've got a Jewish president. I don't feel like anything beyond that fact needs to be said to dispel the idea that "Ukraine has a nazi problem". I mean, how big of a problem could it be if they've elected a Jew as their president? And even if they did have a real Nazi problem, it kind of pales in comparison to their current Russian problem, don't you think?

    Nazis aren't shooting families dead in the streets of Ukrainian cities, Russians are.

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    Maybe Russians can learn a couple of lessons from this war as well:
    1. Land invasion of a large country with hostile population is a serious undertaking that even a modern and well funded army can fail to conduct.
    2. Placing a flag over a capital (or administrative center) is nothing but a symbolic gesture. This is in reference to @Jeannette claiming that Mariupol fell for a couple of weeks now, even though Russian tanks keep getting blown up on the streets there even now, at this very moment. Also, taking Kyiv and arresting Zelensky would not stop Ukrainian resistance as right at the beginning of this war the U.S. government announced that there is a secret power transfer protocol that Ukraine produced for the U.S., NATO and EU to accept the replacement leader and continue aiding with the war effort if Russians capture zelensky who insists on remaining in Kyiv.

    Russians didn’t learn all lessons from the war with Napoleon. Maybe they need to become a Napoleon themselves to refresh their memories and to help them see things from a receiving perspective. ;)
     
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    Russia Ukraine Conflict: Ukrainian counterattacks retake territory


    Journalistic report from Mykolaiv checking Ukrainian claims of counterattacking and retaking territory. :thumbsup:
     
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    No one can deny any longer. By the way, some Jews cooperated with Nazis. Zionists.

    Vigilante punishment spreads in Ukraine
    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/03/23/ukr--m23.html

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    The racist attacks on Roma previously led by C14 are now being carried out under the auspices of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Recent photos from L’viv show Roma women taped to a pole with their faces painted green. The photos clearly show Ukrainian Armed Forces members in the background, proving such attacks are being carried out either directly by Ukrainian soldiers or under their supervision.
     
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    Napoleon? Why not Hitler? This "special operation" is essentially Blitzkrieg and a failed attempt to capture cities. The Germans had state of the art equipment and probably better military planning and execution than the Russians are exhibiting now, yet they still failed spectacularly. It seems to me that Hitler and Putin have labored under similar delusions of using overwhelming military power to force some kind of victory over a foreign population, as though simply capturing the seat of government would lead to some kind of victory. The reality, however, is Afghanistan (x2) and Vietnam. It is popular resistance and an unending conflict against a hostile population that will resist until the invader is forced to leave in shame and utter defeat, even if it takes years of fighting to reach that point.

    I'm sure that Germany ultimately would have lost Poland, Russia, France and every other country they had invaded and tried to occupy eventually because they were unpopular and the occupied populations would have had support from sympathetic countries around the world to help them resist by force.
     
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    You are lying and you know it.
    There is no racism involved. What’s shown on that picture is a standard punishment that Ukrainians inflict on looters. While this looks harsh, one must remember that standard punishment for looting when a country is in a state of war is generally death, administered on the spot.
     
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    You completely missed the point. You need to be gracious in victory. Not revengeful. Anyway, the Russians have no interest in occupying Ukraine. They will try to encircle the Ukrainian army in the east. I believe they will take Kharkiv, Sunny, maybe even move on to Dnipro. The country will be split in two. I've been saying that from the very beginning. There is going to be referendum in all those areas and people will be able to vote about their future. Stay with Ukraine, declare their own independence or join the Russian federation. Funnily enough, the Ukrainian secret service fully agrees with me.
     
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    Ukrainians Seize Russian Tanks After Retaking Village


    Ukrainian forces showed off three tanks they captured after retaking control of Lukyanivka, a village 60 kilometers east of Kyiv, from the Russian Army. RFE/RL journalists visited the village on March 27, three days after what a resident said was fierce fighting. ​
     
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    How am I lying? You've got the link. Sooner or later nasty things no one wants to talk about will reach the wider audience.

    Vigilante punishment spreads in Ukraine
    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/03/23/ukr--m23.html
     
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    The Ukrainian nationalist armies that we supported and trained, are animals. They need to fall into the hands of the Chechens, they'll know what to do with them.

    Mariupol was originally given to the Greeks under the Ottoman occupation by Catherine the Great, so many of them left for Greece and are telling horrific tales of what they went through in these past 8 years.

    In this video by Hamilton, they found a dead women with a swastika drawn on her with blood. According to later reports it was found that her hand had been cut off. It's assumed she tried to leave the city thinking that it was safe.


     
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    How do you know it's the Russians and not a town under Ukrainian occupation?

    Anyway Nazism is racial supremacism. The German ones killed more Slavs than they did Jews, as well as Roma and others. As for Zalensky being Jewish, well his handler is Ihor Kolomoisky who is Jewish and probably the most evil man in the world - and also the payroll for the Azov battalion.

    I know that Israel was quite worried about Kolomoisky supporting Nazis, but he told them not to worry. Yet in Ukraine, there are only about 10 thousand Jews who haven't left for Israel and if I recall correctly when Russia was ready to invade, the Israelis asked the Russian ambassador to protect the Jews - which infuriated Zalensky.
     
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    You are still missing the point.
    Russians can’t take Mariupol because locals resist them. It’s a town with half a million residents. 2/3 of them left, the rest remained to fight. Russians are shelling residential buildings because they are being shot at from there by locals who were armed by Ukrainian government. There are so many locals that resist Russian invasion hiding in so many buildings that the only way Russians can advance is by destroying those buildings with the fighters in them. In effect, Russia captures nothing but dead ruins. Russians will officially claim Mariupol only after that city has no building left standing, which makes it a questionable trophy - the winner gets no population to pay taxes, nor infrastructure to benefit from, yet is on the hook with the post-war cleanup and will have to decide whether it’s even worth it to rebuild the destroyed city.
    Since Russians got their behinds handed to them in Sumy region, and Kharkiv has a population that is several times of Mariupol, what makes you so confident that they’ll be able to take Kharkiv and Sumy? It’s not like they haven’t been trying for the past 33 days. ;)
    Why is it so hard for Russians to understand that Ukrainians hate seeing Russian troops and readily participate in sabotaging Russian supply lines, as well as report their positions to Ukrainian military and local paramilitary groups? The only way Russians would be able to take those cities is by completely reducing them into ruins and killing their residents and defenders.
     
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    Durandal, I know Zalensky passed out guns to the worse elements in Ukraine to create chaos for he 'so loveth the Ukrainian people', but let's see. I read that the Russyns who were highly persecuted by the nationalists of Galicia asked Russia if they could join them.

    Then there's the Hungarians who would like nothing more than to rejoin their motherland as well as the Romanians. So let's see now, if you take away the Russian lands from Ukraine, as well as the Hungarian, Romanian and Russyn areas, then what have you? Poland of course.

    Poland would like to go into Western Ukraine as peacekeepers, and there is nothing more that Poland would like than to take back the city of Lviv and Galicia that were given to Ukraine by Stalin. Time I think for all the errors of the USSR to be undone.

    Should Poland reach an agreement with Russia, then Western Ukraine is all theirs and let the Poles give the Ukrainians their well deserved due. Ah yes, the sins of the fathers.

    Massacre of Poles by Nationalists in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia.
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    Let's not pretend that ethnic Russians do not exist in Ukraine. Around 33% residents of the city of Kharkiv declared themselves as ethnic Russians. Also I wouldn't worry about Mariupol where the population of ethnic Russians is even larger. 44%. Those people suffered extremely under the Ukrainian nationalist rule. Don't you think for one moment that people outside Ukraine do not know that many innocent Russian civilians were executed in cold blood in both Kharkiv and Mariupol by the Ukrainian nationalist groups on the premise that they are potential 5th columnists. All it takes is that someone who doesn't like you point finger at you and you are gone. That much for law and order in those cities under the Ukrainian rule.
     
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    Furthermore. A gunman who slowly kills a tied man in front of the camera is a terrorist. He is no different from an Islamic State militant in the same way, and with the same words, cutting off the head of a bound prisoner of war.

    And anyone who justifies the actions of these Ukrainian terrorists here is an accomplice of terrorists.

    Remind нow does America deal with terrorists? Russia does the same.
     
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