The United States can not afford universal Healthcare

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Joe knows, Apr 6, 2022.

  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    which is why we need to stop Greedy Global Corporatism from destroying Capitalism
     
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  2. Vernan89188

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    So republicans now want UHC?
    You're right I should have then.
     
  3. DentalFloss

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    Apparently nobody.

    "But within five years, plenty of Republicans will be loudly supporting or quietly assenting to universal Medicare." - Direct quote from your 5-year-old article.

    It did not age well, since the central premise to the entire article turned out to be completely wrong. Might want to check dates on things you post before you declare victory, eh?
     
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    Nope, job creation.. I had healthcare BC/BS from the time I started working! I've had good health insurance at age 18 to present day from employer/employee shared healthcare premiums.. People voting for free bullshit healthcare and the promises of free leisure lives have screwed themselves and all those around them..

    Welcome to the new world ;)
     
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    Here is the thing, way are currently overpaying by SO much, that even if the government overcompensated by 200% as the single payer. It would still be a savings.
    The difference is we have watchdogs for government, and their records are public.
     
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    What exactly would you like me to prove? I wrote a half a novel and the best you can come up with is "Prove It"??? You need to start engaging your brain and actually contributing to the conversation, rather than your little meaningless quips. Once again I am left wondering if you're just a bot of some kind, and not a very sophisticated one, since even a half-ass bot would do better.
     
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    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    Employers having to provide health insurance to its employees stifles job creation.
     
  8. Cybred

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    I see these people sucking at the public teat, they have X-Boxes, the latest and greatest iPhones, "fashionable" (if in some cases ridiculous lookin) clothing, 60" flat screens on the wall

    Prove it.
     
  9. Joe knows

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    I somewhat agree with this. I do credit globalism for much economic gains but it has also slowed certain economics and push us to rely on enemies of freedom
     
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    Your post has lost at me. The average UK Brit pays £500 in tax to the NHS for health care. So any tax that you pay, a proportion funds the NHS. So person "A" might not pay income tax, but they couldn't get away with VAT and duty on cigarettes. Person "B" paid a few thousand in incomes tax, NI, VAT, Stamp Duty etc.. but on average, £500 per month per person.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are many videos on YouTube where Americans living in the UK discuss healthcare systems. They've always said that after experiencing UK's NHS, that how bad healthcare in the US is.
     
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    And how much does that coworker pay for food for his family of 4. I'd bet it's more than $400 a week.

    Having kids ain't cheap. Having multiple kids is ain'ter cheaper. But it is your responsibility to pay for them once you've decided to create them. Things cost what they cost, if you don't want to pay for it, make different choices. I bet your friend could have cut his insurance rates by having just one kid, eh?
     
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    LOL :) Well that was ridiculous! I guess you haven't been noticing the Amazon employment campaign commercials LOLOLOL

    The only thing that stifles job creation throughout U.S. history has been the DNC. The last big one was COVID scamdemic, lockdown, stimmy checks and intensifying joblessness..
     
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    Under this DNC economics, I'd say they be lucky if it were that low! Fuel in this energy state just topped $4.29 for regular and well over $5 for premium.. Diesel wanders between those two numbers.. Before it's all over cost of medical will the least of anyone's problems, but will most likely be the first thing many poor people stop paying for :(
     
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    No need. It's inherently obvious to anyone with even basic skills of observation. The last time I saw a woman on the news whining about how her child tax credit (that was intended as a temporary measure when the country was in the grips of a brand new and largely unknown pandemic, not as a permanent new freebie) might get cut, because she uses that money to buy shoes for her kids, on the wall of her rather nice home or apartment behind her I saw a flat-screen TV that had to be at least 60".

    If you can afford that, you can afford to buy shoes for your kids.

    Same thing everytime I see some "poor" person on the news complaining that Uncle ain't giving them enough money for this or that, while puffing on a cigarette the entire time. If you have the money to buy smokes, you can pay for whatever it is you're complaining about.

    When was the last time you saw someone younger than say, 70, even if they are "poor" who didn't have a smartphone in their hands or pocket? Flip phone? Pshaw, that's beneath them.

    Your typical "poor" person in the US has a roof over their head, running water, electricity, modern appliances, cable TV (displayed on a large flat panel), a car or two, heating and air conditioning, and plenty of food on the table. How many of them are grossly obese??
     
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    You do realize that stuff is probably stolen. So no proof. Got it.
     
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    What do you think California's current health care system costs per person?
     
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    You can cry "Bullshit" and run around the room stomping your feet all you like. The fact of the matter is other first world nations have just as good if not better healthcare - but do it at half the cost.

    Would our worthless bureaucracy be able to emulate these other systems .. perhaps not .. but its worth a shot to reduce our healthcare spend by half.

    Your claim that the death rate for all countries is 100% due to covid is obviously preposterous nonsence.

    The reason our system of healthcare extortion is what it is .. is in large part because of the healthcare oligopolies -- We have the brutal excess of Gov't Bureaucracy .. combined with the anti competitive practices of the Oligopolies.
     
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    Nothing wrong with the date. and what a bunch of purile nonsense trying to claim that because Red did not jump on board - the facts in the article are not facts. You need to engage the logic checker .. get rid of the fallacious nonsense "non sequitur" in this case.

    The article was not entirely wrong -- It is a fact that we pay double what other first world nations pay for similar care .. you claiming that because Red did not jumping on the UC bandwagon changes this fact - is fallacious nonsense.
     
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    Oh yeah, there was zero opposition to those things during the 1918 Pandemic.

    Seven seconds with Google son.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/29/coronavirus-pandemic-1918-protests-california

    The resistance to those measures becomes all the more appropriate when Florida, whose residents got to actually live life, has a lower death rate than New York, whose residents were locked in cages for 18 months.
     
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    If you have any evidence colleges raised tuition because of the student loan program please proceed.
     
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    Perhaps the worst problem was caused by the Republican 'Bankruptcy Reform Act', which made bankruptcy eazy peazey for business, but raped college kids by preventing them from discharging student debt through bankruptcy.

    It's just one of many things Republicans did that are stark, raving mad.
     
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    Pfizer didn't take any government money from Warp Speed in the development stage of the vaccine.
     
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    People spend more time outside in Florida, which doesn't crowd people together in buses, subways and streets for that matter.

    New York got hit first, there was a steep learning curve...
     
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    IOW, you want to penalize the working poor who may have to travel some distance to their job(s) doing physical labor while those who can work from home pay far less for road maintenance. It would appear all your ideas will exacerbate the wealth gap problem we have in the US by placing an undo burden on low wage earners. Like those who work for employers who don't offer health insurance and don't pay well enough for the employee to buy his/her own.
     

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