The Shroud of Turin...what do you think about it?

Could the Shroud of Turin be the real deal?

Is the image on the Shroud of Turin the result of a massive surge in some sort of energy?

I first read some on this topic back in the nineteen seventies but heard a powerful reminder just today that got me digging into this topic again.

The idea of the Shroud of Turin image being created by a surge of energy from what sure looks like a corpse that was wrapped in the cloth is certainly impressive indeed.

This type of information could result in the Spiritual Awakening that is occurring now having more of a Charismatic Catholic or Roman Catholic flavour.

 

After the 1:00:00 mark in this video are the comments that got me researching this topic again after nearly fifty years?????

 

You never know I guess. As I have spoken to you before about "energy densities", I believe Jesus was a 5th density being while the rest of us mere mortals are 3rd density, with the most enlightened possibly being 4th density. Who knows what sort of energies that could give off as he leaves a 3rd density body and returns to his natural state of love and light?

 

A guy died and had essential oils rubbed on him and was wrapped up in a sheet. Nothing of supernatural importance move along, nothing to see here.

 

The Turin Shroud is the greatest hoax of all time that could have only been done by the greatest artistic mind of the 15th century, Da Vinci himself.

 

That would have left residue which could be tested. There is none. I think it must have been something like a discharge of energy, but is it the shroud that covered Jesus, there is no way to know.

 

The real deal what? I understand the method of how colouration got onto the cloth is uncertain, but the radiocarbon dating of ~1300 AD seems to be the main hurdle for the idea of this coming from new testament times.

 

I understand that dating has been contradicted by more recent testing of different portions of the cloth. It might still be undetermined.

https://www.shroud.com/pdfs/marben.pdf

 

Oooh… the image of Bigfoot… perhaps Santa clause.
Hmmm … from an age when religious centers fabricated religious relics to attract pilgrims (donations) makes you wonder how much money the Shroud attracted, and still is.

 

Religious artifacts were the NFT's of their day.

 

I have to admit that if the information related to a radiocarbon dating of 1300 C. E. is true and valid.....
then this would be powerful evidence against the theories quoted by Pastor Steve Long in that video that I gave in post number two?????????

Thank you for drawing my attention to this aspect of this potentially rather important question and topic!

On the other hand......
many influential people who are terrified of the paranormal and who tend to enforce Atheism on the majority......
possess the power to tweak what on the surface would appear to be "science."


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I could be termed a Theistic Evolutionist.

By this I mean that I believe that our Creator is probably a Being and / or Beings composed of the type of fundamental energy that String Theory implies and I believe that GOD EVOLVED and learned over infinite time in the past and finally somewhere around six or seven millennia ago in linear time....... our Creator invented Adam and Eve but before that point in time when our Creator invented Adam and Eve, our Creator had quite a history with other forms of intelligence, some of whom went off into some seriously unethical psychological experiments that make the Stanley Milgram Ph. D. research seem like a child's game.

At this time I do believe that our Creator is heavily involved in the production of eight billion reality film projects starring all eight billion of us humans, but animals are also playing far more important of a role than we might tend to imagine. Roughly one near death experience in six involves a meeting with a previously deceased pet.


Richard Dawkins Ph. D. in my opinion IS BIASED TOWARD CARBON BASED LIFE FORMS.... AND IS very probably SCARED OF THE IMPLICATIONS OF INTELLIGENCE BEGINNING IN A HIGHER INVISIBLE DIMENSION OF SPACE - TIME, in Energy from Quantum Vacuum, or some other sort of fundamental form of energy.

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Well these ideas certainly put another way of looking at the minimum requirements of making it to heaven.......

 

There are certainly criticisms of the original carbon dating. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating_of_the_Shroud_of_Turin I think gives a more comprehensive list, although it doesn't promise to be complete. To the best of my knowledge (even after having read your link), no comparable further testing has taken place on other pieces of the cloth. The article is called "Evidence for skewing...", but it doesn't contain any actual evidence.

But by all means, I can't stop anyone from making another measurement. Criticising the current measurement does nothing to substantiate any actual answer.

 

I don't see ANY importance in this. The "shroud of Turin" doesn't have any bearing on Christianity. People may be thrilled by the possibility of contact by Jesus, but that doesn't have a bearing on any of the important topics of Christianity.

Sorry. There is nothing in the Bible to suggest that Christians have been wrong about the prescription to achieve sheaven.

And, YOU are the one terrified by Dawkins! The only question is WHY. Are you similarly terrified by Judaism or Buddhism or any other of the beliefs counter to Christianity? Why do you even bother mentioning his NAME??

 

Dunno, haven't watched it. If I dedicated 2h to every viewpoint regardless of credibility, I'd be wasting a lot of time (and there'd be a lot more 2h videos).

Seems more likely many uninfluential people who are duped by paranormal claims fail to see what makes science robust and useful, and consequentially fail to make anything into science.

Unclear what this has to do with the topic.

Do you have anything to back it up? Is it any more believable than the idea that in fact, DennisTate is scared of the implications of material ideas?

 

Except the resurrection, but you know that's just the foundation of Christianity, nothing really important at all. Right.

 

The issue is whether that specific piece of cloth was on the face of the dead Jesus.

This is not about the resurrection. It's about the cloth.

 

The newest dating method confirms that it's about 2000 years old. Three days wouldn't have been enough time to make a detailed image of a man that was clearly whipped and tortured.

It would have had to be a fraction, like 1/100,000,000,000,000 of a second flash of light, not long enough to terminate the cloth and only long enough to transfer an image that is the most reasonable explanation.

On a matter of faith and with this fact, people believe it is indeed related to the resurrection which IS the basic foundation of Christianity, which absolutely has bearing to the faith.

 

I don't understand the first part. Are you suggesting the shroud is a miracle?

What I was pointing out is that Christianity exists at full strength regardless of any conclusion about the shroud. From that point of view, the shroud doesn't really seem to matter.

 

It's a hoax!

 

In any case it is a mystery.

 

And a mystery.

 

Da Vinci - maybe

 

You said the shroud bears no basis in anything Christianity represents.

"but that doesn't have a bearing on any of the important topics of Christianity."

It absolutely does. It represents the bedrock of Christianity; the resurrection.

 

Christianity doesn't believe in the resurrection BECAUSE of the shroud.

If the shroud is not authentic, it doesn't change Christianity.

 

Did anyone say it was because of the shroud? No.
So, did you miss the point by default or design? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are likely just misinformed on Christianity or the shroud's authenticity. Your disbelief in the shroud's authenticity doesn't matter at all, but I'll play your game. If it is authentic and there is plenty of evidence it is, then it's importance bears great significance. No other religion has a resurrection and that is the bedrock of Christianity. So you're wrong.