Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. Jack Hays

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    Don't humor him. Unfortunately despite being constantly reminded its not true Jazep has this bizarre fixation that the missiles stored in Poland are land attack missiles i.e. they can be used to attack targets in Russia. They're not and they can't. They are in fact anti-ballistic missiles (SM-3s) designed to intercept incoming attacks. They weren't designed to attack land targets and cant be used to do it (they're not engineered to survive that kind of ballistic trajectory - they can go 'up' but won't survive the coming' down bit). Also their warhead is totally impractical for land attack.

    They were placed in Poland as a means of protecting Europe from the potential rogue attacks by Iran or another country in the middle east with a limited missile strike capability. If Russia were to launch anything even close to a full scale attack the system would be quickly overwhelmed. There simply aren't enough SM-3 interceptors stationed in Poland to do more than put a small dent in Russian attack.

    As a further part of his delusion Jazep has also insistently stated that the Polish missiles are nuclear armed. Again they're not. There is no nuclear version of the SM3. But The real kicker is that the US doesn't even possess a short range, nuclear capable ballistic missile system. It hasn't for decades! Russia however does, it's called the Iskander. Don't take my word for any of this BTW you can easily fact check all of this for yourself.

    So he's literally accusing the US of deploying a system it doesn't have. Ask him to name this mythical system and he'll either say its the SM-3 or refuse to answer. Then just keep asserting it's true.
     
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    See you calling poor Jazep "deluded" .. seems to mee that you the one who showing those symptoms.. mischaracterizing his claims .. and in denial of correction previously given .. to which you did not respond .. now returning to same vomit.

    The US is well able to put nuclear cruise missiles in Poland .. and Russia don't know no different .. which is the reality you are desperate to avoid .. in order to maintain the necessary illusion ..propaganda narrative .. Thats the only big delusion I see going on here .. M ..
     
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    I expect the tempo of lies to accelerate as Russia continues to drift toward defeat.
     
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    Without Russia, China can only crawl on its stomach in front of Washington. Beijing understands this very well.
     
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    Yeah, you could put a cruise missile in a shipping container I suppose.
    You don't need missile bases for this. But you would need such bases
    for anti-aircraft stuff where you need radar, support structure etc.. like
    the Russian S400's.

    But here's the thing

    America doesn't want WW3 with Russia
    Russia wants its old empire back.
     
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    There is only one reason for the war. This is the inevitable appearance of US missiles on the territory of Ukraine, which will create unacceptable conditions for Russia. For the final solution of this problem, it is necessary to include all of Ukraine in Russia. Everything else is propaganda.
     
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    Am I supposed to believe that the US generals are idiots and are placing very expensive and useless targets near the Russian border?
     
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    America does not want the 3rd World War so much that it has withdrawn from the ABM and medium-range missiles treaties and creates the conditions for the destruction of Russia with impunity.
     
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    "The US is well able to put nuclear cruise missiles in Poland.." which by default is an admission that it hasn't place any such missiles there yet. Beyond that the AGM-86 ALCM cruise missile is the only nuclear tipped cruise missile system in the current US armory. And it's an air launched system (as opposed to ground launched) and can only be carried by the B52 bomber!

    To the best of my knowledge the US does not currently base B-52's outside of the US with the exception of some airfields in the South central Pacific. So again you are completely wrong (as usual). And even if they did? "and Russia don't know no different'. Really? The US could could no more hide B52 bombers on permanent deployment to Poland from Russian detection than they could hide aircraft carriers permanently deployed to Poland FGS! (And they have about as much chance of being stationed in Poland as B-52s do!)

    In short. Your suffering from the same delusion that Jezup is. You to are inventing imaginary US weapon systems in order to justify Russia's invasion of Ukraine! The only difference? Yours are cruise missiles not short ranged ballistic missiles! Conclusion? I'm starting to think 'being wrong' is your secret super power! Either than or you spend hours standing in front of a mirror practicing!
     
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    No your supposed to believe the system is not designed to defend against Russian attack because there simply aren't enough of them to even come close to protecting Europe from a Russian attack. Instead the system is designed to defend against non-Russian attacks and that being the case it is not 'useless' . Instead its perfectly fit for purpose.
     
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    Western propaganda shows complete madness when it suggests an Iranian attack on Europe. What can a few non-nuclear missiles do with a very large deviation from the aiming point? Just give NATO a reason to destroy Iran.
    The US missile base in Poland only makes sense in one case. This is to have time in 2 minutes to shoot all 24 missiles at ground targets in Russia until it is destroyed from the Kaliningrad region.
     
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    Russia is well on its way to becoming a vassal state of China.
     
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    Russian generals are obliged to count on the worst possible scenario, that the containers contain medium-range nuclear missiles. They have no right to believe any promises.
     
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    The most important thing is that the world remains multipolar. The rest is optional.
     
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    Doesn't the US have secret programs? Why should the Russian General Staff believe in everything that the Americans show?
     
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    The world is and will remain multi-polar, with or without Russia.
     
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    Russia's path is downhill.

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    How Russia’s grim demographics could thwart Putin’s global ambitions
    Opinion by Nicholas Eberstadt

    The Russian army’s strangely stumble-footed invasion of Ukraine is only the latest reminder of the pervasive and long-standing “human resource” woes that frustrate Vladimir Putin’s aspirations for superpower status. Russian military tactics and field performance may improve, but the greater demographic constraints on Putin’s ambitions are unforgiving. In the coming years, those constraints will brutally ratchet down the Kremlin’s options.

    With vast territory and abundant mineral reserves, Russia since the days of the czars has banked upon parlaying natural wealth into geopolitical power. The strategy of becoming an “energy superpower” was always a dubious one, but especially so today. Putin is flailing against the history of modern economic development. The wealth of modern nations is overwhelmingly generated by human beings and their capabilities. Natural resources (land, energy and all the rest) have accounted for a shrinking share of global output for the past two centuries, with no end in sight.

    Thus, for all its vaunted oil and gas riches, Russia’s export earnings last year were actually lower than Belgium’s. Like other Western democracies, Belgium manages to augment and unlock the economic value residing in human beings. Putin’s petro-kleptocracy is woefully inept on both counts.

    When Putin does pay attention to demography, he obsesses over headcounts — for him, “capitas” are more important than “per capitas.” He fixates on raising birthrates and seizing neighboring territory instead of enhancing the capabilities and productivity of his entire population.

    Russia is depopulating — even after Putin’s annexation of Crimea in 2014, its total numbers are lower today than when the Soviet Union collapsed. Russia’s working-age population and its pool of prospective 18-year-old conscripts are also falling. Shrinking societies can prosper, as Germany and Japan have shown. Kremlin policies all but preclude that path for Russia. . . .
     
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    Sure, and you know why America withdrew from that treaty?
    1 - Russia was testing medium range missiles
    2 - China and everyone else wasn't a signatory to it.
     
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    The US withdrew from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty because no such Russian or Chinese missile would reach US soil. But in Japan, Poland and Romania there are already US missile bases with a range of 2,500 km.
     
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    Lavrov is a stupid man.
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    Israel summons Russian ambassador after Lavrov's remarks about Hitler

    Israeli Foreign Minister Yair Lapid on Monday slammed his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov, who said Sunday that Hitler "had Jewish blood". He summoned the Russian ambassador to obtain "clarifications".

    Reference to the Jewish origins of Volodymyr Zelensky
    Since Russia's invasion of Ukraine on February 24 , the Jewish state has tried to maintain a delicate balance between Kiev and Moscow, but Sergei Lavrov's remarks on an Italian channel on Sunday sparked outrage.

    Referring to Russian accusations of Nazism against Ukrainians, Minister Lavrov, whose remarks were transcribed on his ministry's website, first said: "Zelensky makes this argument: how Nazism can he be present (in Ukraine) if he himself is a Jew".

    Then to add: "I could be wrong, but Hitler also had Jewish blood".

    Statements "baseless, delusional and dangerous"
    "Minister Lavrov's remarks are at the same time scandalous, unforgivable and a horrible historical error", condemned in a brief press release Yaïr Lapid. He said the Russian ambassador to Israel had been summoned for "clarifications". . . .
     
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    Without Russia, the US will have absolute world domination.
    "Russia is the only country that can destroy the United States because the Russians have the capability and the nuclear weapons to do it," US Army Chief of Staff General Mark Milley said.
     
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    Without Russia, the US will have absolute world domination.
    "Russia is the only country that can destroy the United States because the Russians have the capability and the nuclear weapons to do it," US Army Chief of Staff General Mark Milley said.
     
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