Derek Chauvin Appeals Murder Conviction, Claims Protesters Intimidated Jury

I’ve attended many classes on what you can do and cannot do. You have not, you have no idea what you’re talking about, just virtue signaling with no response when you’re caught.

you think everyone is a white supremacist. Between that and making up random things, it’s why you cannot be taken seriously.

 

That was the coroner's opinion, with no real medical facts to back up that specific interpretation.

Common sense tells anyone that he probably would not have died if he did not have enough fentanyl in his system to kill a man half his size. Opioids like fentanyl are respiratory depressants and make breathing more shallow.

His lung capacity and ability to uptake oxygen was diminished due to him having the coronavirus.

Then on top of that, he was hyperventilating due to emotional hysteria, caused by a combination of all the drugs in his system and a fear of going to jail.

There were multiple factors that came together to cause his death.

The difficulty breathing might not have even caused the heart attack if it was not for the "excited delirium", and already being out of breath from the physical struggle with police, trying to avoid getting into the car.

 

MMA fighters use a choke technique that potentially can choke a person to death. The referee intervenes the chocker, and so the chocker lets go and so this is why nobody dies. Chauvin went on chocking and so caused the asphyxiation and so killed his victim. Chauvin was a veteran and knew the dangers of what he was doing. Chauvin's own supervisor said so that Chauvin knew the dangers of positional asphyxiation and called it murder. I dunno why you got a problem trusting good cops and support bad apples. But hey.

 

The coroners opinion is the opinion of an expert and that's what matters. Your "common sense" that you picked up from fakebook doesn't. You're just like those people "who did their own research" from fakebook and claim to know far more than any expert with decades of expertise in the field. What a joke of an argument.

 

According to the ME, asphyxiation was not the cause, but,

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The medical examiner who ruled George Floyd's death a homicide testified Friday that Floyd's heart disease and drug use contributed to his death, but police officers' restraint of his body and compression of his neck were the primary causes.
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She testified Friday that she trained Baker and that they were friends. Thomas said she agreed with Baker that Floyd died from cardiopulmonary arrest — the ceasing of heart and lung function — complicated by the way law enforcement held him down and compressed his neck.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...george-floyd-s-death-homicide-blames-n1263670

 

But it wasn't really based on any special medical facts, in this case.

The coroner didn't find any special medical evidence to prove his opinion.

So the fact is, the coroner didn't really know.

He should have said that in court, but he didn't.

That's a legal designation, not a medical designation.

 

Not accidental. Just wasn't intentional. There's a difference.
And no, kneeling for near 9 minutes on neck area is not justified.

 

1) The coroner examined the body and he said what he said.
2) I do not care about your opinion, Kaz.

It's very common that they pin a label of homicide where they see fit. And they did in this case, as in.. and ruled out it could not have been Floyds drugs use or enlarged heart.

 

Please end this dumb play of words. The compression caused asphyxiation. Chauvin's own supervisor said under oath that what Chauvin did causes positional asphyxiation and called it murder. You can trust a high ranking good cop.

 

you have no clue what you’re on about. I’m coach Buri at a Gracie BJJ school, we choke each other every day and nobody dies because you either go out or tap. When someone goes out, and I regularly wait out a tap, we flatten them out and raise the knees. They’re usually, and I’m usually, I’m back quite shortly and no one has died in the ufc due to a choke because it’s a carotid choke not a asphyxiation choke.
Not only do you not understand the technique you’ve clearly made everything else up including pretending Chauvin intentionally causing Floyd’s death. Most people would be greatly embarrassed by that, but hey.

 

yes.

if your heart and lung function are greatly compromised by not only heart disease and Covid and meth and fentanyl the known respiratory depressant, you shouldn’t really fight with the cops and require a higher level of control during an arrest that Floyd himself caused. Myself and thousands of others have used this technique without issue because the suspects weren’t in Floyd’s self-induced position.

 

Play of words?
Those were the words of the ME and the hired by family former coroner.

Did you read the article?

 

Or the cop shouldn't kneel on a neck until breathing stops.

As both ME's said, the cop played a part in the death. Therefore, he is rightfully convicted.

 

lol

 

First sign of critical stress an officer has both a duty and a legal obligation to act as a first responder to anyone in their custody, and apply medical assistance immediately. When Floyd first fell unresponsive, instead of applying medical assistance, they maintained stress on the body and neck. The next critical sign would be when he stopped breathing, but once again instead of applying medical assistance, they maintained pressure on the neck and body. Finally, the last critical sign was when Floyd showed no pulse.. and astoundingly, the officers still did not feel the need to apply any medical assistance, but instead maintained pressure on the neck and body

As the department testified, this completely goes against the protocol on how officers are trained to handle situations like this. When using the neck restraint technique, officers are supposed to move the subject to the recovery position once they are restrained (this is where they move the person to their side). Instead of doing this, they maintained pressure on the body and neck, even after he was restrained, even after he fell unresponsive, even after he stopped breathing, and even after he showed no pulse. The actions of these officers are inexcusable

 

Every minute that porcine POS spends in prison is a drop of sunshine in my everyday life.
Much to the consternation of the racist, bigots that inhabit this message board.

 

You are mistaken.

It's true the coroner's "determination" carries a lot of weight, but they oftentimes still make a "determination" even when they themselves haven't actually really determined anything from their medical findings.

A lot of people are confused by this and make that mistake because they don't really understand how it actually works.

This could be a case where the jury was confused. You certainly seem to be.

In this case the coroner probably made his "determination" more based off the police report and what he didn't find, rather than any specific thing he did find. The medical evidence in this case could not really tell him the real precipitating cause of death.

The only thing the medical facts revealed is the subject died from a heart attack that was probably chiefly caused by limited intake of oxygen.

Maybe a good question the defense might have asked is, if this was a random body who was brought in, with no backstory, would you be able to determine cause of death based only on the medical evidence, and what would that be?
It would have been a different answer than what the coroner told the court.

 

Medical assistance? What would that assistance have consisted of exactly?

I think you are being a little unrealistic. It's a little difficult for the same person to act as a paramedic who is also trying to carry out an arrest of a suspect who is resisting their efforts.

 

That doesn't mean 9 minutes is what killed him.
It might have only been 2 minutes that killed him.
2 minutes would not have been that excessive.

I think Chauvin had this idea that he wanted to make absolutely sure the suspect wouldn't be going anywhere. This was a suspect who weighed a lot more and had a lot more strength than the officer... and appeared to have excited delirium from being on drugs.

 

What he said wasn't actually based on his examination.

That's what you seem to have trouble understanding.

 

But the issue is, his actions that caused the death were partially justified and was a very easy mistake to commit under those circumstances.

The law does not seem to be well suited to taking this into account.

 

That is not true. The only think they determined was the drugs were not the direct cause of death.
They could still have been a primary indirect factor in the death.

The jury was probably as confused about this as you seem to be.

 

That is completely is completely false.

 

I've taken tang soo do, tae Kwon do, and even hup Kwon do.

Putting 200 lbs on onex neck is bound to lead to problems.

 

The coroner's opinion was used as evidence.