Should states decide on gun ownership?

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  1. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Already done. Los Angeles is an example of what to expect. No private citizens can carry guns, so only cops, judges, and criminals carry them.

    A few lucky people can get a CCW if they can show "Good cause"
     
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    states should have no say in the matter. The right to bear arms shall not be infringed is in the constitution. The states only have power over issues not covered by the constitution.
     
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    The Constitution provides a better argument against abortion than for abortion.
     
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    Just A Man Well-Known Member

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    I keep arms. I bear arms. The U.S. Constitution gives me that right. States can kiss my grits.
     
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  5. James California

    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ Sad but true. Likely the entire USA will become "Californicated " in the coming decades – maybe sooner ! :bleh:
     
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    Guns are mentioned in the Constitution; abortions are not.
     
  7. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Dude the word abortion is not specifically mentioned, the right to own a gun is.
     
  8. Pred

    Pred Well-Known Member

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    Fine. Really ****ing damn difficult compared to real states like FL.:). Happy Mr. anal retentive.
     
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  9. fullmetaljack

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    Following the logic Alito posits, that if it didn't exist in the Constitution then it is not a protected right, then women are in trouble over all sorts or rights since they aren't
    mentioned. True, it took an amendment to "not abridge" their right to vote "on account of sex". (no mention of women)

    In fact, if we apply this same line of reasoning, then the only arms people have the right bear are muskets. States can pass laws that restrict the ownership of modern
    firearms because they weren't around when the Constitution was signed and there is no amendment that mentions AR-15's.
     
  10. ECA

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    Hahaha look at you all emotional. How specifically is it ’“****ing damn difficult”?
     
  11. Jolly Penguin

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    Should people from that era rule over your country via this constitution in perpetuity? 2000 years from now, do you think you should have the same constitution as you have today?
     
  12. Cybred

    Cybred Well-Known Member

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    Yep. 2) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose
     
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    In today's political environment, it will not happen unless extremes on both sides are completely ignored by the voting public.
     
  14. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    This is a common argument that liberals make and it is incorrect. You should do some research on the puckle gun and realize that Lewis and Clark carried a semi-auto Big bore airgun on their Westward adventure.

    So buy your logic there the first amendment should only be covered if it's written on paper or spoken by word of mouth because there was no TV or Internet or radio. You down with that too?

    They knew that firearms technology was an evolution as it had already evolved at that point and they could have only expected it to continue to do so
     
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    don't care
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That would be because good ideas transcend age.

    How old is the concept of democracy?

    Go ahead and tell us which parts of the Constitution aren't "getting with the times".
     
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    All of CA has about 70k CCW's, and "self defense" is not a valid justification in the DPRC.
     
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    Gun ownership or ARMs ownership. As the 2A doesn't restrict the right to bear arms just to guns. But to ARMs.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They don't even know that Heller addressed that, as if the Founder's didn't understand technology.

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    If you want to hear someone speak about a subject they have very little knowledge on just ask the typical liberal about the Constitution or the second amendment.

    I like what Ronald Reagan said about it....

    He said it's not that our liberal friends are ignorant it's just that they know so much that isn't so!
     
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  21. dairyair

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    What definition of bear, means using arms in a war? Site please.

    Look at all the definitions of bear.
    ...
    bear

    verb
    \ ˈber

    \
    bore\ ˈbȯr
    \; borne also born\ ˈbȯrn
    \; bearing
    Definition of bear (Entry 2 of 2)

    transitive verb

    1a : to accept or allow oneself to be subjected to especially without giving way couldn't bear the pain I can't bear seeing you cry
    b : to call for as suitable or essential it bears watching
    c : assume, accept
    d : to support the weight of : sustain
    e : to hold above, on top, or aloft
    f : to admit of : allow
    2a : to move while holding up and supporting (something)
    b : to have as a feature or characteristic bears a likeness to her grandmother
    c : to be equipped or furnished with (something)
    d : to have as an identification bore the name of John
    e : to hold in the mind or emotions bear malice
    f : behave, conduct bearing himself well
    g : to give as testimony bear false witness
    h : disseminate
    i : lead, escort
    j : render, give
    3a : to give birth to
    b : to produce as yield
    c(1) : to permit growth of
    (2) : contain oil-bearing shale
    4 : thrust, press
    intransitive verb

    1a : to go or incline in an indicated direction
    b : to extend in a direction indicated or implied
    c : to be situated : lie
    d : to become directed
    e : to force one's way
    2a : apply, pertain —often used with on or upon facts bearing on the question
    b : to exert influence or force
    3 : to produce fruit : yield
    4 : to support a weight or strain —often used with up
    bear a hand
    : to join in and help out
    bear arms
    1 : to carry or possess arms

    2 : to serve as a soldier
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bear
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  22. Joe knows

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    The constitution does not permit the federal nor the state to regulate arms. Period!

    I know people will argue but a law graduate, that was an elected official, and a secondary founding father by the name of Tench Coxe interpreted the second at the time of ratification as having the right to bear as the peoples right and not up to the state or federal governments to regulate.

    Find even a close quote from anyone at the time of ratification that interpreted the constitution to protect abortion. In fact find me one person at the time of creating the 14th amendment that states it protects abortion
     
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  23. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    No there isn't. All rights are implied.
    At least today. That's why it's illegal to own nukes, claymores, LAWs, and the like.
     
  24. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    It's updated everytime the USSC makes a ruling.
    It's always ever changing with the times.
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    So everyone has the right to own nukes, LAWs, grenades, claymors etc?

    The right to bear arms, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Per the 2A
     

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