I'm not at all playing coy. You made an affirmative claim yourself so I'm simply asking you to do the math. It sounds like you don't wish to answer the question. You claim that they are a net benefit to the nation I simply asked you to go and do some research and find out what the annual cost of illegal immigration is and add and subtract those numbers and see what the remainder is. That's not playing coy at all. You made a definitive claim and I think you are incorrect. But you could always prove your claim and that would be the easiest way. And why would an illegal immigrant not be considered illegal anymore? Because you want the numbers to say something different?
Their language was rooted in the Germanic tongue. Which meant it shared a similarity to Anglo/German/Frankish in some degree. Then you had their own alphabet which was Latinized so it shared the the majority of the same English characters. Now compare that to the scripts written by Indians/Chinese or the nonexistent written language of Africans. Which is why I clearly lined it out as a cultural and racial background. Sharing the same faith doesn't make you an American or a European. There are plenty of wild Christian religions in the east but, they wouldn't share anything similar to the west besides the use of Jesus. Then you go further into their cultural backgrounds and you'll find that the areas these people live in are low trust areas and are in some cases a cultural fusion of Native + Spanish. They may share a similar tongue but, they're not European when they've mixed to the point of being native looking. Some of them are pure natives as well. Only a fragment actually do. If you were to do a DNA test you'd find that the majority of the people arriving are sub 70% European or more. They're not racially the same and as such they're a different breed of people. Yeah, land that was intended to be used for the production of goods. Not the land of milk and honey collecting your welfare check as you sit in your government paid apartment. But they're not similar and the same time those skilled immigrants you reference are just indentured servants working for corporations. They're brought over to get rid of high paying jobs that the US citizens had through the use of the immigration system. I'm a software engineer and I knew it all too well with the requirements corporations laid out there for hiring. They purposefully paid less and required outrageous skills that the majority of the people wouldn't go for. This gives them the right to hire someone from abroad because there isn't anyone willing to work either through offshore or greencard. Then you have the unskilled labor which handles our farms. These people are only able to acquire these jobs because corporate farms are unwilling to pay wages that an American would work for. They hire illegals for dirt cheap and blame the US citizens for being lazy for being unwilling to work at the minimum wage job they originally offered. People get the repeated mantra of Americans are lazy and the reality is that corporations are unwilling to pay more while they're racking in millions. It's all a ploy to divide and conquer while distancing people away from the thought that these mega corps are nothing short of greedy & Anti-American.
Given the complexity of the numerous factors that would go into a cost benefit analysis on illegal immigration I don’t think we’re going to be able to simplify this to x-y=z. Here is a Wikipedia article on the subject. (Note that the claims made include citation, so dismissal based on it being a Wikipedia article will be rejected.) Nope. I don’t care what the numbers say. I’m not trying to hide from them. From the same article: I’m all in for America, and the data suggests that immigrants, regardless of status, are a net benefit to the country.
So illegal immigrants are paying income taxes? Whose identity are they stealing to do that? I've read articles that say the exact opposite of yours. And saying the data "suggest"..... It's worth less than a cup of coffee after the senior discount. If someone wants to make that claim they should be able to prove it not simply say the data suggest it. And we can calculate to a good degree of accuracy the amount that illegal immigration costs the United States annually.
By that same article it's been simplified to X vs. Y dollar amounts an illegal or legal takes or puts into the system. It's also coming from a particular source that I wouldn't consider to be without bias either considering her heritage being that of Noam's and her own past. There is no provided "early studies" and just her word of mouth. Are these early studies from the 1960s? The wiki article goes even further with blaming Americans for being unwilling to work such jobs but, said jobs never increase in wages or the employers lower them. Who is to blame? The corporate megafarms that blame Americans for not working for peanuts so they use illegal workers or American citizens unwilling to do work for hours just for a minimum wage? GDP retardation. As if the only thing that matters is that GDP grows. What exactly is the GDP? Corporations for the most part. That's all this GDP talk feeds. Immigrants are a net benefit for Megacorps as it provides a way to pay lower wages and divide their workforce. There is no inherit benefit from my lifetime that involved an immigrant arriving taking away opportunities from Americans. Are US citizens destined to work two jobs? All immigration does is reinforce this Neo-Feudal corporate takeover.
Of the top of my head I know they’re paying sales tax and their rent goes on to pay the property taxes for where they live. Many work under the table. I’m sure some steal identities, but that’s not exactly an easy process and increases the likelihood that they would be found out by law enforcement. I’ve read articles that refute your articles. In their entirety. Then do so.
Increases in GDP increase the governments ability to provide for its citizens. As a person that likes social safety nets that protect the citizenry, I think that’s great!
We're not talking about "US population growth." Foreign born population in 1930: 14.9 million Foreign born population in 2010: 40.0 million Foreign born population in 2018: 44.8 million. That looks different than 35% to 1%
Well I don't think the chart shows that, but it sounds like you are the first leftist I've come across who doesn't believe in it.
Provide what exactly? Another 40 billion to Ukraine? The social safety nets you're referencing will be dead and gone by the time I'm eligible. I'm sure they'll bump retirement age to 85 before 2050 rolls around. As for the safety nets those seem benefit exclusively people who are in extreme poverty, refugees, free loaders, drug addicts, etc. The extreme poverty situations of food stamps + housing can be tied to corporations themselves churning out workers just as Walmart does. Not providing a full time job and wage that can sustain an actual family. While the remainder of said groups offer nothing. The only people benefitting are those who don't work because they don't want to and those who don't work because they have slaves to do the work for them.
Only racists care if their "race" survives or not. Everybody else is fine so long as the Human Race survives.
Yeah, lots of broken ****. I’m in favor of fixing things to. My policy prescriptions don’t begin and end at open borders.
Open borders is the gateway to turning the USA into a complete hellhole. It's okay living in the rural areas but, now you're going to open the borders to possibly 500+million people? Because that is the figure of people that want to live in the USA because their own countries are awful. Because their own people are awful. Having these people who are awful become the majority will make the country awful. There is a word for this and it's called an invasion.
There are an awful lot of racists in this world, of course. Those who don't care if their race survives are the oddballs.