14 students killed, 1 teacher dead in elementary school shooting

Ah, no.

 

The head and the groin. Handgun training should include this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozambique_Drill

 

Actually, Mexico has very severe laws against carrying firearms! If you get with even a little pocket-pistol on you in Mexico, your ass is going to jail, and it will cost you more than a few thousands and take close to a year before you come back home to the States again....

 

Should we do what the UK did:

 

Exactly. They (liberals) certainly don't care about the people killed/maimed by the illegals driving drunk or the repeat offenders they let out of jail.

 

I was telling someone here about the Mozambique yesterday. Also, the armpits and navel and arms and lower body parts are susceptible. I use that drill at every range day!

 

No, they are required to have an armed officer patrol the school during school hours, you should know this already.

Also, when I say the officers did not have enough firepower, I mean they were outgunned. I am not speaking hypothetically, I mean they fired at the gunman, but were outgunned. The fact of the matter is the gunman was not carrying a weapon designed for self defense, he had a weapon designed for shooting multiple targets from an advanced range, which is exactly what he did. He had more range and accuracy, and a lot more ammo than the officers who were already on the scene

 

It sounds like the sooner the better for both you and us. Just curious, where you headed? Where's the 'promised land' free from the dark stain of violence that you've selected to make your new home?

 

Do you support these measures? Make the intellectual effort to educate yourself next time.

Legislation Signed To Enhance School Safety And Expand Access To Mental Health Resources

Governor Greg Abbott today signed into law several bills related to enhancing school safety and expanding access to mental health resources. The Governor was joined by members of the Legislature including Senators Larry Taylor, Jane Nelson, Kirk Watson and Royce West, and Representatives Greg Bonnen, Will Metcalf, Four Price, and John Zerwas.

Following the tragic shooting that occurred at Santa Fe High School on May 18, 2018, Governor Abbott convened a series of roundtables with input from legislators, educators, administrators, law enforcement, advocates, parents, and students to find solutions to ensure the safety and security of Texas students. As a result, the Governor unveiled a 40-point plan to address these concerns, and in his State of the State address, the Governor named school safety an emergency item for the Legislative Session. Multiple action items included in the plan are incorporated in the signed legislation.

“After the horrific shooting in Santa Fe and the subsequent school safety roundtables, I made school safety an emergency item to help prevent a tragedy like this from happening again,” said Governor Abbott. “Today, I am proud to sign legislation to make Texas schools safer for students and teachers. I thank members from both chambers, as well as the many stakeholders, who worked tirelessly to get these bills through the Legislature and to my desk today.”

Senate Bill 11 (Taylor/G. Bonnen) strengthens emergency preparedness and response protocols, improves school facilities standards, establishes better threat assessment protocols, and provides schools more funding for school safety efforts. The bill also establishes the Texas Child Mental Health Consortium to leverage higher education expertise in the state to improve the mental health care systems for Texas children.

House Bill 18 (Price/Watson) increases mental health training for educators and other school professionals to aid in early identification and intervention, emphasizes importance of mental health education for students, and improves access to mental and behavior health services through school based mental health centers and the hiring of mental health professionals.

House Bill 1387 (Hefner/Creighton) removes the cap on the number of school marshals that may be appointed per campus.
https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/gov...fety-expand-access-to-mental-health-resources

 

They teach that method for putting a perp down in most reputable police academies.

 

But were they legally purchased by the person that used them in such a way?

 

You're simply wrong about this. Mexico is a prime example of a counter-point (but certainly not the only one). There, just a hop, skip, and a jump from Uvalde, is a country that has strictly regulated access to guns, and they have mass killings all the time.

 

That school was as much a gun free.zone as a police station is a gun free zone. There were three armed officers at that school. And yes, they did have to call in support because the shooter was wearing body armour that they could not penetrate using their guns.

 

How many died in this massacre?

 

No, they do not. They have SRO's for junior high and high schools on staff but the elementary schools do not, they have a roving patrol of local pd and SRO's for that district. I know this for a fact. Those officers were outgunned, this is true. Then again it's not unusual to be outgunned with better calibers available these days.

 

I would consider myself an advocate for implementing Switzerland's gun laws here in the US

 

There is a law in place in Texas that states that guns/drugs elevate any charges related to those offenses. The only reason there were several officers at the location at that time was due to the wrecked vehicle and current policy of locking down soft areas like schools where cowards seek to kill innocents.

 

And all tac schools, such as dynamic entries and breeching strategies. Starts at 4 seconds but under 2 is the proper goal.

 

The issue is your statistic does not include all mass shootings and ignores the vast majority of mass shootings, which are gang related. When you hear there’s been 327 mass shootings this year(exact figure made up, they are currently touting 222 for 2022) it includes the gang shootings. So while you post that stat, you’re going to have to pick a definition, because it moves based on politics only.

Your stat claims less than 150 mass shootings over 40 years yet:

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/15/1099008586/mass-shootings-us-2022-tally-number

 

Wow! That is quite a lot of 'payload-on-target' in a very short period of time.

 

Oh yes.

 

21 min ago
Uvalde shooter sent chilling messages to a girl he'd met online about his imminent attack

From CNN's Isabelle Chapman and Daniel A. Medina

Minutes before his deadly assault in Uvalde, Texas, the shooter, Salvador Ramos, allegedly sent a series of chilling text messages to a girl he met online, describing how he had just shot his grandmother and was going to “shoot up a(n) elementary school.”

According to screenshots reviewed by CNN and an interview with the teenage girl, who said she had been in contact with the gunman for weeks, Ramos complained about his grandmother being “on the phone with AT&T abojt (sic) my phone.”

“It’s annoying,” he texted.

Six minutes later, he texted: “I just shot my grandma in her head.”

Seconds later, he said, “Ima go shoot up a(n) elementary school rn (right now).”

It was sent at 6:21 p.m. Central European time (CET), which was 11:21 a.m. Central time (CT) in Texas. It was his last message to the girl.

The 15-year-old girl, who lives in Frankfurt, Germany, said she began chatting with Ramos on a social media app on May 9. Ramos sent the girl selfie videos and discussed a plan to go visit her in Europe, according to videos and text messages.

In one message, he sent her a screenshot of a Google flight itinerary from nearby San Antonio. “I’m coming over soon,” he wrote.

She said Ramos told her on Monday that he received a package of ammunition.

She said he told her that the bullets would expand when they struck somebody.

At some point, the girl asked what he planned to do. She said he told her it was a surprise and to “just wait for it.”

On Tuesday, at 11:01 a.m. CT, Ramos called and told her he loved her, she said. Then, about 20 minutes later, at 11:21 a.m. CT, he texted her that he had shot his grandmother.

The girl, whose mother gave permission for her to be interviewed, said she spoke daily on FaceTime with Ramos. She said she also communicated with him via a social livestreaming app called Yubo and played games with him on a gaming app named Plato. In their conversations, she said he asked about her life in Germany. “He looked happy and comfortable talking to me,” the girl said. She said he told her that he spent a lot of time alone at home.

There were other text messages, however, that alarmed her. In one case, she said, he told her that he “threw dead cats at people’s houses.”

She said she got the impression that he kept to himself.

“Every time I talked to him,” she said, “he never had plans with his friends.”

Correction: An earlier version of this post misstated the amount of time between Ramos' text messages.​

Live updates: https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/texas-elementary-school-shooting-05-25-22

I'm thinking that psycho kids who throw dead cats at people's homes shouldn't have access to firearms. But, I guess the NRA and every conservative in America would disagree, so this will never change.

 

Once again, I am not speaking hypothetically, there was an armed officer patrolling the school before the gunman arrived, and they were gunned down.

 

No, they don't.

Because we have a history of more than 30 years of drastic gun control measures taken in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Norway, UK, Germany, Japan etc.

Results, incredible decrease of mass shootings.

This proves that the availability of guns is a huge facilitator for crazies to act.

 

I remember a scene in the movie Alien vs Predator. A girl was asked - why does she need a gun. Her response was:
Same principle like having a condom - it’s better to have it and not need it, instead of not having it when you need it.