14 students killed, 1 teacher dead in elementary school shooting

It would be nice if you could make one post that isn't insulting someone.

 

Come on now don't go making sense.

 

Lashing out is simply what animals do in they're cornered.

 

No, not every solution requires an amendment. Hardening the schools, red flag laws, requiring mental evaluation for first time buyers etc don't require any changes.

 

When you can prove that there are mass shootings even with strict controls because crazy people buy guns illegally, you will have a point.

In the meantime ....

Shots were exchanged between Ramos and police officers before he entered the school.

Your argument that people with guns can stop a crazed gunman falls apart.

I live in Canada.

A country where we don't need to turn elementary schools into bunkers, guns are hard to get and strictly controlled, the homicide rate is five times lower than in the US.

 

Just like with the Buffalo shooter I'd hate to be his parents right now:

 

I promise to do so when they stop insulting my intelligence.

 

Do you know the difference between crime rate and homicide rate?

The homicide rate in Australia has decreased by 50% since 2000.

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/27-years-recorded-crime-victims-data

 

The Uvalde school was hardened. None of your suggested measures would have stopped this massacre. And if schools become tougher targets then mass shooters will just go elsewhere. Either we attack the root of the problem or we learn to live with it.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/how-to-ban-guns-without-firing-a-single-shot.600040/

 

Or maybe harden security at notoriously soft places.

 

Wrong! THIS is what would work.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/how-to-ban-guns-without-firing-a-single-shot.600040/

Pay particular attention to "Irrelevant argument 5"

 

That's an expensive, losing game. The defender needs to have a good day every day. The attacker needs only one good day.

 

Ahahahahhahahaha deflection noted, no answer available. That thread is even more ridiculous and was blown off the hinges.

 

That’s true no matter what.
And yes you certainly can harden security at those places, I’d know since I’ve done it for companies like Amazon, Wells Fargo and Exxon Mobile.

 

Not true (again). You have a habit of just saying stuff and hoping no one knows better. See chart below

<a href='https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/AUS/australia/crime-rate-statistics'>Australia Crime Rate & Statistics 1990-2022</a>. www.macrotrends.net. Retrieved 2022-05-24.

 

Much runs afoul of the constitution.

 

Good for you. I spent 34 years in the intelligence and counterterrorism business. Hardened security is not a negligible thing but it is mostly useful for defense against after-the-incident lawsuits.

 

By "hardening" I mean to make them so people can't just walk in with rifles and start killing people. I didn't mean hardening by installing revolving doors.

How was this school hardened, when he guy just walked in with not one, but two rifles?

 

Link:
The Uvalde, Texas, school district had an extensive safety plan. 19 children were killed anyway.

 

In your "36 massacres" 18 of your 36 had less than 4 victims, dead or injured hence fails your made up definition

 

we’ve had no issues since the appropriate layers are in place. It’s costly but effective, you’ve probably been through the measures at the pentagon we placed years ago. I wouldn’t call it a total waste, once throughput has been calculated.

 

You're not going to get that at every school, supermarket, shopping mall, etc.

 

Again, any plan that does not even involve locking doors, is a seriously half-assed plan.

 

People have to come and go. And competence cannot be legislated. There was apparently a guard whom the shooter evaded. The point is that defense will not stop a determined attacker.