Al Jazeera reporter killed during Israeli raid in West Bank

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  1. Giftedone

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    Same as every other nation arrests people .. ?? better than not trying to arrest him at all .. as you suggest .. for fear that the police will be harmed ..
     
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    Well, sorry, but you can't send in a Constable. Sinware is the LEADER OF HAMAS.
    "If you want me you have to come and get me. And my children will protect me."
    Back to square one.
    I think a Ninja missile is best. America didn't have this missile a few years back - it can take out one person in a car full of people. In the past taking out a bridge or factory required dropping tens of thousands of bombs - and killing many children, as England and America did.
     
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    Why can you not send in a Constable ?
     
  4. chris155au

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    Such as?

    Well no condemnation by the UN can be taken seriously. This is the bunch of frauds who had Afghanistan on the Human Right Council! :roflol:

    How is this not war?
     
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    Hasn't Israel been taking American aid since 1949?
     
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    Is English your native tongue? Sometimes I wonder...

    Airforce attack in civilian population centers is not the same as dropping bombs on apartment blocks in civilian population centers. Are you going to claim next that police shouldn't shoot mass shooters in a civilian population center because that would amount, in your vivid imagination. to intentionally shooting at the civilians in the population center?

    Relying on a single source for information on such a sensitive and complex topic as a long lasting bloody conflict is, at best, proof of confirmation bias. Are you biased against Israel?

    The reasonable thing to do, if you care about truth, is to explore the internet for as much information from different sources as possible, including sources that contradict your own biases. You'd be surprised to find out that there's a context to that letter, and you'd be even more surprised to find out that said context has absolutely nothing to do with dropping bombs on apartment blocks in civilian population centers.

    On July 2002, Israeli forces killed Salah Shehade the commander of Hamas military wing. The bomb dropped on his house in Gaza city also killed, according to Palestinian sources, 14 civilians, including children. The high civilian death toll sparked a fierce public debate in Israel. You have to understand that soldiers in the IDF are our children, our brothers, our fathers, our friends and colleagues. Most families, regardless of political affiliation, don't want their loved ones to become the cold blooded killers they were sent to defend us from in the first place. The pilots' letter was the epitome of the crisis sparked by the high number of civilian casualties in the targeted assassination of Shehade.

    The journalistic waste who wrote the incredibly slanted article for the Guardian, the editors of that rag, and others like them in the mainstream media, should be held responsible for subsequent attacks on Israelis and Jews. Their lies, the relentless dehumanization and demonization of Israelis and Jews, greatly contribute to hateful attitudes that trigger further attacks against Jews. They have Jewish blood on their hands.
     
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    No.

    Israel received economic grants in the 50s. From 1959 until 1985 the US aid to Israel consisted mostly of loans, which Israel repaid. Israel did not receive any grant military assistance until after the Yom Kippur war in 1973.
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/history-and-overview-of-u-s-foreign-aid-to-israel

    Let's not forget that the US also sold Israel's enemies sophisticated weapons.
     
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    This webpage no longer exists. Google does not know about the "$83.205 billion" figure. Do you have another source?
     
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    Because he will:
    1 - be arrested, or
    2 - be killed.

    Sinwar is untouchable except by the Israel Defense Forces.
     
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    Giftedone, you have just encountered the conundrum that Israel faces in dealing with people who hate you more than they love their own kids.
    Golda Mier.jpg
     
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    I just checked the article I mentioned and it was working as of 5 minutes ago also, if you were only able to find 2 sources for the Netanyahu quote(1) there must be something wrong with either your computer or search engine.

    The fact remains that Israel has been receiving US aid since 1949 and the total value of the aid, weaponry, forgiven loans, "joint" projects and other hidden aid to Israel is in the $ Trillions(2), (3).

    In addition to Israel's criminal use of unmarked planes to deceive America into attacking Egypt, Israel didn't want the USS Liberty to hear about IDF's massacre of Egyptian POWs. That's the "dirt" that the USS Liberty had on IDF that you mentioned earlier.




    (1) Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away. -- Benjamin Netanyahu
    https://quotefancy.com/quote/134247...an-out-of-the-United-States-it-can-dry-up-and


    (2) “The Real Cost Of US Support For Israel, $3Trillion”
    https://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/the-real-cost-of-us-support-for-israel-3-trillion/

    EXCERPT” While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3 billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government, this figure is just the tip of the iceberg.”CONTINUED


    (3) "The Real Cost of US Support for Israel: $3 Trillion"
    http://www.ilaam.net/Intl/RealCostOfIsrael.html

    EXCERPT "While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3 billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government, this figure is just the tip of the iceberg. There are many billions of dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the surface. A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S. support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3 trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars."CONTINUED



    (4) "Historians: Israeli Troops Killed Hundreds Of Egyptian POWs"
    https://apnews.com/article/25ac46caafc811c70c9367f04ef136fb


    EXCERPT "_ Israeli soldiers killed hundreds of Egyptian prisoners of war during the 1967 Mideast war _ deaths that commanders who are now prominent leaders have known about for years, historians said Wednesday." CONTINUED
     
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    I believe that I just addressed that in my most recent Post.

    I believe that one of IDF's massacres of Egyptian POWs was the Ras Sedr massacre
     
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    Just the usual unsupportable nonsense.

    Here's another source that states that Zionist - Israeli lobbies began extorting US aid as early as 1949:

    Controversy of US Aid to Israel
    http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=3326&CategoryId=4

    EXCERPT "US financial assistance to Israel started in 1949, predominantly in the form of economic aid (%95) and remained so until 1965, during which years, aid to Israel averaged around US$63 million. Military loans began in 1959, albeit modestly, and grew significantly between 1966 and 1970, by which time military loans made up around 47% of the 102 million dollars in aid." CONTINUED

    Of course Israeli lobbies ensured that the "loans" were forgiven.

    If accepting American aid for 18 years doesn't make a country an ally, I don't know what does.
     
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    How is what not war .. On the eve of the ceasefire . Israel tries to take out the dude on the other side who they made the ceasefire with.
     
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    Who said it was the same. What part of dropping 2000 lb bomb in heavily populated civilian areas .. is "intentional killing of civilians" are you having trouble understanding.

    What is not the same . is your laughably nonsensica inference that using a sniper to take out the target is the same as dropping a 2000 lb bomb.

    Let me give you a hint .. one is intentionally killing civilians .. the other is not.
     
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    It is obviously the guns fault.
     
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    Arrested ? What authority is going to arrest the Constable .. is the Constable not the authority ?

    "Killed" - there is always a chance of harm when ever an authority makes an arrest .. you are arguing that police should never make arrests because they might be harmed .. which is complete nonsense.
     
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    Using a sniper? Sending police to Gaza to arrest a Hamas leader? You really don't know anything about Gaza.

    Dear life, I've had enough bull**** to last a while. Can we take a break please?
     
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    You were the one brought up a sniper .. if you have had enough of your own Bull as you claim .. please do take a break...

    "Send Police to Gaza" ? Who doesn't know anything about Gaza .. why would you suggest such a thing -- Gaza is not part of the Israeli Police Jurisdiction .. or are you going to try and argue that it is ..
     
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    ________________________________________________________________________________________

    Re:
    If you had clicked on the link, you would have seen that the actual title of the You-Tube is: "Active Israeli Spies in US, 2001, Mexican Congress, 'Art Students...'"
    The Google listing goes on to state: "This video took a lot of research but I think I was able to expose an active Israeli intelligence gathering operation in the United States."
    Additionally: "On October 10, 2001 there was an attempted bombing of the Mexican Congress."

    Also featured in the same You-Tube:
    "In the 2 years leading up to the Sept 11, 2001 attack on the twin towers, almost 200 Israelis were detained, questioned or deported attempting to breach secure government facilities. In a 60 page declassified memo prepared by the DEA, they detail how Israeli art students would show up to secure facilities and wander off into unauthorized areas and if stopped and questioned claimed to be art students there to sell pieces. This happened across 42 cities in the United States. The "art students" were even found approaching the homes of DEA agents to "sell art". This received very little news coverage as it placed Israel in an unfavorable light. Israel has a long, documented history of false flag attacks carried out by groups like the Mossad in order to establish pretext for goals they wanted to achieve."

    Re:
    Thank you, If you have the patience to watch it, the You-Tube exposes just some of the Israeli betrayals over the last 20 years
    Another You-Tube listing just some of Israel's more recent betrayals. It, too, was working as of this morning:
    ."How Israel Betrays US - YouTube"

    Re:


    I don't think that all or even most Israelis are "Extremely bigoted hate filled fanatics" but I'm sure that all nationalities have people that fit that description.


    Re:
    I seriously doubt it but they did have some French Mirage fighters and those were the type of planes that Israel used in the initial phase of the attack on the USS Liberty.


    Re:
    Yes, using Chrome browser.
     
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    You are going to have a hard time arresting Sinwar if he is the head of Hamas. Same as arresting Putin for war crimes - good luck on that.
    If a policeman from Tel Aviv turns up to arrest Sinwar I suggest he's not coming home for 20 years, and 1,000 released Palestinians.
     
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    No different than any other nation trying to arrest some person they don't like that is not within their jurisdiction. This doesn't justify dropping 1000 lb bombs on civilian populations .. slaughtering children and civilians .. least not according to the UN .. international law .. international norms .. and so on.

    You put a super low value on innocent life .. I don't share your valuation system .. and neither does the global community .. Putin on the other hand .. on the same page as you .. so is not like ther are not others that share your valuation system.
     

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