Roe overturned

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  1. Hell Raiser

    Hell Raiser Well-Known Member

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    FANTISTIC! for 49+ years no one has been able to show me in the constitution where a women has the right to (murder) her unborn child. even to day they still can't. the supreme court. --FINNALY brought the rule of the constitution back to the court & the nation. no fake ruling not rutted in the constitution law, buy liberal silly justices.------AND, the lie of no more abortions is just that--a lie. nearly 40 states will now have the right to continue abortions in their states. but the other states will have the voters right to say no or limit abortions in their states. this is a STATE matter to control, not federal. :):evil:
     
  2. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Or not.

    Health Care is a right.
    When you force people to pay for health care goods and services they don't receive, it becomes an entitlement.

    We've been told the earth can't wait for over 50 years.
    Obviously, it can.

    "Living wage" increase prices; the inflation cancels out the 'living wage.

    You choose to take on your student debt; no one other than you are responsible for paying it off.

    Political donations are free speech. It does not matter if those donations are individually sources, or sourced as a group.

    Gerrymandering in CA NY IL MD and NJ nets the democrats about 30 House seats they are not entitled to.
    Good luck getting them to give that up.

    The 2 party system is driven by the electorate. You cannot end it through force of government.

    "Shall not be infringed" and "all bearable arms".
    Sorry - no.
     
  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    The big Republican plan to end inflation being to give another trillion apiece to Musk, Bezos, Gates and the Kochs?

    Well what IS it if it's not that?
     
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  4. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    Sorry but having sex and accidently getting pregnant doesn't put you on a moral high ground to lecture others.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly. :beer: :lol:
     
  6. ShadowX

    ShadowX Well-Known Member

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    Given your name is Matt how does this ruling affect you?

    BTW you don’t get to cry about precedent being rejected and when someone points out precedent that your side trampled over come back with “well yeah but that’s okay cause I agree with that rejection of precedent” lol
     
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  7. Matt84

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    Again, how does gay marriage affect you?
     
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    It is called lived expérience and counts far more than all the chattering opinions derived from an artificially constructed, ignorant moral highground.
     
  9. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps in your opinion.
     
  10. Lil Mike

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    I made the mistake of cutting on to NPR today and they were playing somber music. I thought it was weird at first but then I realized this is the left's 9/11.
     
  11. ShadowX

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    The same way not getting an abortion affects you?
     
  12. Steve N

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    Just a week ago the left was all about saving the children, Pelosi even said she’s running again because of the children. Now the left is upset because they can’t kill them. Go figure.
     
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    This is exactly the way it was meant to be and just because you have an opinion, that does not change the Supreme Court of the United States as the head of the Judicial Branch of our government.
     
  14. Matt84

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    Hi Trump. Changed your mind that fast huh?
     
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    Why do you pretend you aren’t pro choice? Is it to earn RW clout?
     
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    RW virtue signaling
     
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    Those are four different college textbooks and the source is Princeton University and I can quote and quote and quote from lots more. You cited NOTHING.

    The new human life does not begin to produce stem cells for several days and those stem cells cannot just develop into "anything" the develop into specialize human cells that for the tissues and organs that make us up. That process is driven and controlled by that human life all within it's self just as every human who has ever existed did at that stage of their human life. You should stop trying to argue on the scientific side you haven't gotten much right up to this point especially your first statement.
     
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    Many choices are properly left to the states. Choosing one that was lamentable does not invalidate the others.
     
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    The right to privacy is not mentioned in the constitution, but it is deemed, via penumbra reasoning, to be a constitutional right. It has been controversial, judges such as Bork decried it. But, I support it if, as long as the logic used in it's implementation is reasonable.

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/contraception-marriage-and-the-right-to-privacy

    Penumbras have been debated in legal papers for many years. But in 1965, Justice William O. Douglas used penumbral reasoning in the majority opinion of Griswold v. Connecticut to declare that a right to privacy exists in the Constitution — even though it’s not written anywhere. He then used this newly discovered “right” to find that a ban on contraceptives was therefore unconstitutional. A right to privacy seems like a logical inclusion in the constitution. But rather than five justices declaring it a right, why didn’t we add it to the Constitution with an amendment? It couldn’t have been that difficult to get ¾ of the population to agree that they wanted privacy. With an amendment, we could have avoided all the resulting controversy.


    If the constitution, via the doctrine of the penumbra, confers the right to privacy, then acts you do as a human being which require privacy for your wellbeing are also protected, this was the rationale behind R v W. But, Roe v Wade recognized that we shan't be murdering 'persons'. So, when does a fetus become a person? They reasoned that that would coincide with the viability of a fetus outside the womb, which was the third trimester.

    But now, this court has removed a right previously granted. This is a historical first, and a grave blunder by this court.

    The court's taking away this right is selective. If they can repeal the Penumbra doctrine, then they can repeal others derived from that doctrine. Such as the right to contraception, the right to engage in sexual acts that morons and idiots do not approve of that are harmless between consenting adults.

    And onward to tyranny of the minority.
     
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    Both the left and right ultimately want a monopoly on power and curtail freedom. The left wants to disarm and defang the population, the right wants to dictate what people do with their own bodies. Both need to **** off. I will stay well armed, and I will decide what I will or will not inject into my body, and women will decide what is best for their bodies. If it goes against anybody's morals or religion or whatever, too bad. They can follow their religion or moral compass, but leave everyone else alone.
     
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    Every other industrialized country on Earth pays for health care through taxes versus a privatized system.

    In case you haven't noticed, we've had increasingly severe storms increasingly more common over the past few years. That's the result of climate change. Also, the increase in viruses is also due to the warming climate.

    Just about every other Western nation and industrialized nation ties. Minimum wage to inflation or some form of average wage which actually stabilizes the economy because then businesses know when wages need to be up and they were in smaller portions than going from 7.5 to $15 an hour at a random interval.

    The United States is unique amongst first world democracies in allowing unlimited spending and the rest of the world that's called bribery and corruption, not speech. Along unlimited spending means that politicians think about their wallet before their constituents.

    The vast majority of Democrats are willing to end gerrymandering when it's done federally so that both Democrats and Republicans now have to actually compete in races versus the Democrats removing their gerrymandered seats and the Republican is keeping their.

    The two party system is driven by the first pass the post system, not The electric. The electorate would be in a much more diverse group of parties if it was proportional like Germany versus first past the post like the UK, US Canada which tend to have few choices and the same two parties in power consistently.

    As for firearms assault weapons being banned does not stop someone from using a second amendment rights.
     
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  22. Pixie

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    It depends on the word life.
    Is cancer a life?
    How about à wart or even à freckle?
    I hold no opinion on the matter because the evidence depends on semantics.
    For example is life defined as something which can reproduce?
    In which case an unborn child is not living.
    In addition you are defining nine months of development under one word. I doubt à nine week old fetus is as alive as one of nine months.
    Or do you define life as being self aware? In which case you would have to attribute life to à child already born.
    I have no définitive answer because I have no definition of the word.
     
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    Does the Left want to completely eliminate gender distinctions:
     
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    When did I change my mind? I’m pro choice because I don’t believe the government should tell us what to do with our bodies, but that doesn’t mean people should make the wrong choice. Once again you failed.
     
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    See post 442.
     

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