Eric Trump reveals HE told Donald FBI raided Mar-a-Lago: Ex-President's son claims agents 'ransacked

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  1. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member

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    You don't dispute random crazy, dude.
     
  2. omni

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    All they have to do is hand over the documents. What has taken Trump so long?

    If Biden wants those documents back, he has every right. A former president should not have more authority than a current president.
     
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  3. Condor060

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    Thats the best you can come up?
    Whats next? I know you are but what am I?
    Thats some real genius on display right there.

    You won't dispute it because you don't want more egg on your face.
    Thats why/ lol
     
  4. bx4

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    Do you think it would be acceptable for trump to have declassified top secret documents just because he wanted to keep them?
     
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    Nope, that wasn't the question
    Do you believe a sitting president can make every Former president alive, felony criminals guilty of espionage because he decides every document in existence and in their possession he has never seen is now classified.
     
  6. Nemesis

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    No. I can come up with much better, but the post would be deleted, my friend.

    Egg on my face? *LOL*
     
  7. Izzy

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    DUH!
    The same reason that they blacked out the Judges name, the FBI names. PRIVACY.
    You know the names that Breirbart PUBLISHED, the same people that are now getting death threats thanks to the amoral ones.
     
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    What I think has no bearing on what a presidents abilities are.
    Meaning you can't convict a president because he hurt your feelings or does things you don't like
    You should complain to Obama since his EO was the last one governing presidents ability to declassify.
     
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    All the FBI had to do is seize them back in June if it was a matter of National Security.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/madeli...ar-a-lago-months-before-raid/?sh=7de923446d1c
    Instead they left with a few items and later told his SS to secure the room containing other documents (they looked at). That's what you call a matter of great National Security two months later?
     
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    There were three crimes they were investigating. He was told that he had to turn over documents. He retained some. He was subpoenaed and ignored the subpoena. So then came the warrant. It's going to be pretty easy to establish intent.
     
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    Are you sure that any documents were taken on 6/3?
    Could be they visited, asked if there were any more classified, told no, then Trump's lawyer signed off on it?
    I've only read about the documents taken the beginning of the year (Jan-Feb?) and on 8/8.
     
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    If the former president refuses to hand them over, yes.

    Do you believe thr court ruling is wrong then that the president should have not broad authority?
     
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    FAKE CLAIM #1
    The judges name is not blacked out
    FAKE CLAIM #2
    No FBI agents from the search have received death threats
    FAKE CLAIM #3
    Garland said publicly that Trumps attorneys signed the warrant, but the names are blacked out?

    You will have to try harder. I realize you have been painted into a corner with fake claim after fake claim but more fake claims isn't helping you.
    It just shows your desperation
     
  14. yardmeat

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    I love how we are now in the "Maybe he just accidentally retained these documents" stage of desperation.
     
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    I’m asking for your opinion.
    It is one thing to say it’s legal. But not everything that is legal is also acceptable or prudent or wise.

    That’s what I’m asking you. Do you think that would be acceptable? For trump to have declassified top secret documents just because he wanted to keep them?

    Remember that if they’re declassified, there’s no reason that they wouldn’t find their way into the hands of America’s enemies.

    Would you find that acceptable?
     
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    And the other argument is that he declassified everything.

    The consequences of that are horrifying. It means all these top secret documents could become public. After all, they aren’t classified any more. And if they’re public, they can be seen by America’s enemies.

    But the supporters care more about protecting their leader than protecting national security.
     
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    I'm new here but quite a few red-flags
    OMG, don't even want to imagine what you'd be saying had the FBI kept it quiet.
    I was thinking he's prepping to run for a GQP house or senate seat.
    Seems that kind of foreplay is now required for all GQP's new poster kids.
     
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    We're speaking hypotheticals. You have proof Trump declassified these documents? You just admitted two things. The president does not have broad authority and two and more shockingly, think a former president should have more authority than the current one.
     
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    We declassify top secret documents every day. You can find millions of them in the Archives.
    You asking an unspecific question wanting a specific answer.

    If your asking would I be ok with a president declassifying military top secrets about our weapons systems, the answer would obviously be no.
    And if a president DID declassify military top secrets on weapon systems, he would have to account for that and there would be no accountability you could list.
    Which would fall under the espionage act.

    Meaning, a president has the authority to declassify but also has to be accountable for it. No idiot would even attempt that and if that is what you are banking on from Trump, you are just hoping for some magic. Its not going to happen.

    You want a president that has no power, can't make a decision, just as soon as they do something you don't like
    It doesn't work that way, never has. Biden has the same powers Trump had right now.

    Did you see Trump, Obama, Clinton, Regan, or any other president classifying documents of former presidents?
    NEVER in history. Why? Because it would weaponize the office against any former president and it would never fly in any hearing or court.
    All the defense would have to do is start asking, what documents did you classify and his entire reasons would unravel in front of everyone not only making him look like the countries biggest idiot, but could throw him into impeachment for knowingly trying to weaponize his office.
     
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    "at will" "without any process"

    LIES!
     
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    You are misrepresenting the article, you cite. It is already known that the DOJ has sought stolen documents from Trump, for some time, and that Trump has admitted to having, and turned over, some of those documents. There is nothing in the article to indicate what you & others have suggested, that Trump showed agents all 37 boxes worth of documents. Here is the explanatory quote, from your link:

    [Snip]
    Trump was present at the start of a June meeting with investigators but did not answer questions, while Trump’s lawyers showed agents documents—some of which were classified—and handed those marked as top secret or higher over to the investigators, according to CNN, which cited anonymous sources familiar with the meeting.
    [End]

    So, unmistakably clearly, any "top secret or higher" documents, shown to investigators, were handed over. Therefore, logic allows us to deduce that any top secret or higher docs, that remained in Trump's possession, subsequent to this June meeting, were not shown to investigators (ever).
     
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    We all know what you would be saying which is why everyone pushed to release it.
    You know, the sealed warrant that left swore Trump would never agree to unseal it.
     
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    You should yell at Obama. Its his EO.
    Sorry about your luck
     
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    False, I provided the SCOTUS ruling that states the president has the ability AT WILL to declassify.
    Next
     
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    Your speculation has one flaw. You're assuming the documents that were left behind were repacked in new boxes. If you have paid attention to what they did in this raid they simply gathered boxes marked with a classified distinction and hauled them away without going through the boxes.
     

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